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Man is created with a body and a soul, missing our third part.
According to the promises of God, I received the Holy Spirit in my baptism (for example Acts 2:38 and Titus 3:5).
-CryptoLutheran
Yeah, we receive the HS at baptism.
I will agree that you receive the Holy Spirit as part of your salvation experience. However, their is something that follows and it is a filling of the power of the Holy Spirit. This should be a continuous experience but for many it is only occasionally.
The filling can be both partial and complete. When complete their is usually an occurance that can only be explained as a Godsdince or a Miracle. This rules out the consequence.
In chapter 8 of the book of Acts the Samaritans had both, received the gospel and been water baptized, and yet those actions did not bring about the receiving the Holy Spirit. What they did accomplish was the rebirth of their own spirits which made them holy spirits. But a holy spirit is not to be confused with the Holy Spirit. Translators not knowing this truth did a great injustice in their translations. According to a study bible I have, translators incorrectly capitalized spirit or holy spirit over 52 times in the NT.
Samaritans had been baptised in the name of Jesus only (v.16 the Spirit had not come upon any of them; they had only been baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus). , when baptism was commanded to be done "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Matt 28:19). If the Samaritans had been baptised also in the name of the Spirit, then according to Acts they would have received the Holy Spirit (the text explicitly says that they didn't receive the HS because they had been baptised in the name of Christ only).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++I know we may not agree papaJP, but I don't find scripture to support partial birth abortions...or a partial re-birth of human spirits. Upon initial salvation, the human spirit is wholly sanctified and saved. In my opinion, a man never receives 'a part' of the person of The Holy Spirit at rebirth, he receives a wholly sanctified 'holy spirit'. And then, just like the Christians at Samaria receiving the person of the Holy Spirit is always subsequent and never as 'a part'.
I understood what you meant, and at one time I also agreed with that position, but no longer do. I like my present view better because it answers more of the disagreements I run into with those who are both fundamental and pentecostal.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If you understood what I posted to mean you receive only a part of the Holy Spirit I am sorry. What I said is you receive the Holy Spirit. However you have not been filled completely so that you are able to walk the walk in the total power of the Holy Spirit.
I don't think that one receives the Holy Spirit at re-birth. I think your unholy spirit becomes holy upon being 'born from above'. At that point "our spirit bears witness with the Holy Spirit" and our spirit is the equivalent of the 'spirit' that Jesus was born with...which wasn't the Holy Spirit, it was His perfect human spirit. That spirit is the same spirit he gave up on the cross. And that spirit has the power to allow one to walk in righteousness, just like Jesus did. But He never had the power to perform the miracles until after He received the Holy Spirit. And according to scripture He didn't receive the Holy Spirit until He was 30 when it descended upon Him as a Dove. And that's when the Holy Spirit miracles began.Many receive the Holy Spirit but they do not all walk in His Power. Why? Because they do not allow Him to totally fill them and guide them.
We are just going to have to disagree with this statement of yours. I know of no biblical basis for it.Doubts come from satan and if you or anyone has doubts about their salvation then the filling of the Holy Spirit is not complete.
Every gift but one...interpreting a tongue in a group setting anyway. But I do believe that I have interpreted my spirit's prayer tongue before.By the way have you walked in many of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
If you have access to the Holy Spirit, you have access to all His gifts. You can't earn them they are given as "he inspires and wills to give them"...not as we 'earn' them in my opinion.I have been used in many of them and continue to seek His filling so I can be used in all of them.
That is a wonderful testimony brother.The only miracles in healing I have not been allowed to be a part of is the sight given to a blind man who was born with no eye balls.
And my God has worked with 'my theology' too. But I don't believe that proves it's right. I know many who are very sure of their theology...and they don't even believe the gifts are still available. Personally I think that the supernatural gifts are more dependent upon being "led of the Spirit" in a situation and then having the "faith" to move in that 'leading of the Spirit' for a manifestation of the gift to take place.If I sound sure of my theology that is because of the many miracles that He has allowed me to see and be used in them.
A very worthy goal, to be sure. My personal experience though has been that most here are like concrete in their theology...'all mixed up and very hard to change'.I only post here to try and make those who have doubts to seek assurance from God through Jesus the Christ and in the Power of the Holy Spirit.
God's blessing and mine to all who seek the truth and a deep relationship with the true God.
I say it dont matter when you get the Holy Ghost but you need to get it
Personally it happened to me after repentance and getting born again. Six months later I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and then two months after that I was water baptized. I guess my experience was kind of like theJesusnamefollowerofChrist
read acts 19, 10
we can be filled with the Holy Ghost before or after baptism in Jesus name but must be after repentance
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