When having debate, I find a number of self-proclaimed Christians outright lying.
Example: Prop 8 protects the marriage of heterosexuals, and harms no one.
The Truth: Gays who have legally married may be told by the state that they are no longer married. It invalidates the gay couples marriage.
Example: Gays have a life expectancy of 45.
Fact: This finding came from counting obits in gay newpapers, and calculating the age. It is full of holes (does not include lesbians, counts gay men during the rise of AIDS, but does not count those who are living, etc.)
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_obit.html
Cameron has been dropped from the APA for misrepresentation of data and ethics violations.
His has been charged with misrepresentation repeatedly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cameron
Yet, even shown this, Christian poser will continue to cite his work, and claim that it is true.
I have witnessed this in posts, time after time - not just these lies, these deceptions, or misrepresentation, but also of Scripture.
A few times, the woman about to be stoned was quoted as a rebuke: Go, and SIN NO MORE!
However, in the story, as most people understand it, one should not cast the first stone in judgement against another, unless you are without sin yourself.
There is also a very important point - that when Christ asks the woman where her accusers are, and she says that they have left, he says, "Neither do I condemn you," when Christ was without sin, and should have cast the first stone. He didn't. He then forgave her, and allowed her to go, to sin no more.
Does that sound like harsh rebuke?
Or does it twist the scripture to say something that was never intended?
My concern is that what often results from this is the conclusion that Christians are often deceitful, dishonest, tell half-truths, or misrepresent, in order to make a point. They do not think deceit or lying is that bad, understanding that they are forgiven, so who cares?
But I have to keep telling myself, "this is not all Christians. I don't even know if this is a Christian, but rather a really bad imitator, a Pharisee, that wouldn't know God if he asked him for change."
But it give Christians a really bad reputation for people that forget that. It's a very bad witness even for Christ himself, often displaying the wrath and condemnation of God, and claiming that the message of the Gospel.
I am curious how Christians feel about this, and if what I have said is true to other nonChristians.
Example: Prop 8 protects the marriage of heterosexuals, and harms no one.
The Truth: Gays who have legally married may be told by the state that they are no longer married. It invalidates the gay couples marriage.
Example: Gays have a life expectancy of 45.
Fact: This finding came from counting obits in gay newpapers, and calculating the age. It is full of holes (does not include lesbians, counts gay men during the rise of AIDS, but does not count those who are living, etc.)
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_obit.html
Cameron has been dropped from the APA for misrepresentation of data and ethics violations.
His has been charged with misrepresentation repeatedly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cameron
Yet, even shown this, Christian poser will continue to cite his work, and claim that it is true.
I have witnessed this in posts, time after time - not just these lies, these deceptions, or misrepresentation, but also of Scripture.
A few times, the woman about to be stoned was quoted as a rebuke: Go, and SIN NO MORE!
However, in the story, as most people understand it, one should not cast the first stone in judgement against another, unless you are without sin yourself.
There is also a very important point - that when Christ asks the woman where her accusers are, and she says that they have left, he says, "Neither do I condemn you," when Christ was without sin, and should have cast the first stone. He didn't. He then forgave her, and allowed her to go, to sin no more.
Does that sound like harsh rebuke?
Or does it twist the scripture to say something that was never intended?
My concern is that what often results from this is the conclusion that Christians are often deceitful, dishonest, tell half-truths, or misrepresent, in order to make a point. They do not think deceit or lying is that bad, understanding that they are forgiven, so who cares?
But I have to keep telling myself, "this is not all Christians. I don't even know if this is a Christian, but rather a really bad imitator, a Pharisee, that wouldn't know God if he asked him for change."
But it give Christians a really bad reputation for people that forget that. It's a very bad witness even for Christ himself, often displaying the wrath and condemnation of God, and claiming that the message of the Gospel.
I am curious how Christians feel about this, and if what I have said is true to other nonChristians.