Holy Communion?

[MarkAnthony]

The Body of Christ.....Amen


To respond to this invitation we must prepare ourselves for so great and so holy a moment. St. Paul urges us to examine our conscience: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself."218 Anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion.

The holy Eucharist completes Christian initiation. Those who have been raised to the dignity of the royal priesthood by Baptism and configured more deeply to Christ by Confirmation participate with the whole community in the Lord's own sacrifice by means of the Eucharist

"Christ Jesus, who died, yes, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us," is present in many ways to his Church:197 in his word, in his Church's prayer, "where two or three are gathered in my name,"199 in the poor, the sick, and the imprisoned,199 in the sacraments of which he is the author, in the sacrifice of the Mass, and in the person of the minister. But "he is present . . . most especially in the Eucharistic species."200


Holy Communion separates us from sin. The body of Christ we receive in Holy Communion is "given up for us," and the blood we drink "shed for the many for the forgiveness of sins." For this reason the Eucharist cannot unite us to Christ without at the same time cleansing us from past sins and preserving us from future sins:

197 Rom 8:34; cf. LG 48.
199 Cf. Mt 25:31-46.
200 SC 7.
218 1 Cor 11:27-29.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a3.htm#1328



This brief account above of the HOLY COMMUNION with CHRIST was taken off of the Official Vatican Website for reflection in this post...

Now my dilemma is this... A priest or minister is living in sin or has completely offended the CHRIST.

Through clergy abuse, homosexual behaviors or other forms or human indecency this is done daily around the world.


He or she then standsbefore the alter, CHRIST, and the people, being part of the BODY of the CHURCH and CHRIST and attempts to participate in the miracle of transforming the HOLY EUCARIST from regular bread. All eyes are upon them as they chant their praise and blessings.. and profane the BODYand BLOOD.


Does the miracle happen? Does the sinner reject the LORD?

Is the bread just bread or is it acceptable by GOD in how it is
offered to be made HOLY by HiM?


Have we been deceived by SATAN in the CHURCH? DO we eat or drinks without discerning the BODY?


Has GOD asked us clearly to examine ourselves? Are we able to cleanse
our past sins and preserve ourselves from future sins?


Have we in fact received a HOLY COMMUNION or just a wafer from sin?

Should we just pick anyone in the church then to stand at the ALTER and
perfom the ritual?


I think that I have received GOD in my heart a long time ago by an authentic priest.

I am never extremely hungry for a true EUCARIST.

I can not be certain who is qualified to perform the ritual to it's full effect.

So I stay home and bless my own food and drink instead.
I would rather go hungry than eat a stone or a serpent.

I have never been hungry after thinking about this around 2 years ago.
I do know that GOD is in my heart too. I believe that I am forgiven and
completely ready at any time to receive a HOLY COMMUNION.
Where can I really get one these days?

 

[Polycarp1]

You raise a remarkable question. And I'm not totally up on the early church history -- but in time of persecution in North Africa, a number of Christians "officially" renounced Christ -- including clergy. Presumably they were doing this, not out of a sincere loss of belief in him, but to save their skins.

After the persecution was ended, there were surviving "Confessors" -- those who had not renounced Him -- and of course those who had gotten out of being persecuted by renouncing Him. And the issue was raised, "Aren't sacraments celebrated by the clergy who had 'chickened out' and renounced Him invalid?" A leading light of theology of the time said that they were.

The matter was taken to a church council (not a full Ecumenical Council but a regional one) and it was decided that no, it's the Holy Spirit who makes the sacraments efficacious, not the priest. Therefore, it's what you believe, along with the act of God in fulfilling the prayers, that makes a good communion, a valid baptism, etc., not the sinful state of the priest.

Maybe somebody who knows church history better will fill in the details on this -- but I think what I said is sufficient to make my point.

 

[Ainesis]

I think that is a great point Polycarp. Very interesting indeed.

What are your thoughts on 1 Corinthians 11:23-34? If one can receive communion unworthily, don't you think they can offciaite communion unworthily? I'll admit that I know of no such Scripture which says this, but I am not sure that the Holy Spirit would rest upon and bless the actions of those who are outside of the faith.

I also find it VERY interesting (as I am sure you know I would) that this council decided that it was the belief of the individual along with the act of God that makes communion with God authentic, and not the moral condition of the presbyter. Seems to offer strong support for the protestant view that salvation is on the basis of individual belief and God alone, and not the presbyter's relationship with the church.

 

[MarkAnthony]

I appreciate your insights..What I have a major problem with understanding
is why in the first place would GOD place the worst kind of offender....

Sexual predators of children for example at his altar?

Is this so that these sinners will be last?

When the HOLY COMMUNION is touched by unclean hands and it is then
administered in my faith to the tongue to the belly, it was to avoid profaning
the BODY. And the same with the CUP. Are those closest to the BODY
suppose to be the furthest? Is this the intention of GOD?

I say no. I think that he intended Priests to lead HOLY lives. And to have
confession on themselves done to remain HOLY. And if the priest that heard
their sins felt that they need to purge their evil then
they should not be allowed serve mass for the required time if limited.

I would rather walk right up to the Tabernacle and stick my hand in for a
piece of the BODY than have it be served to me by SATAN himself. I feel
that many have been fooled and the bread that they were given over time
was unholy.

Please help me understand this dilemma.

 

[Ainesis]

Hi Mark Anthony,

While I am not a catholic, I do have a question. What do you mean by the following "And if the priest that heard their sins felt that they need to purge their evil then they should not be allowed serve mass for the required time if limited." Are you saying that there are priests who know that their peers are into sexual sin, but permit these priests to continue in that role or are you making an assumption here?

I too believe that we are called to live holy lives unto God, but even so, no one is perfect. Is it your understanding that only those who have been cleansed of all sin (through a recent confession) can administer the Eucharist?

I guess I am somewhat confused about what your question really is.

Thanks!

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

MarkAnthony: It is NOT what goes in a man that makes him unclean, but what comes out. All of us are sinners. We are no more clean than someone else in the faith.

 

[MarkAnthony]

Hi Mark Anthony,

While I am not a catholic, I do have a question. What do you mean by the following "And if the priest that heard their sins felt that they need to purge their evil then they should not be allowed serve mass for the required time if limited." Are you saying that there are priests who know that their peers are into sexual sin, but permit these priests to continue in that role or are you making an assumption here?

I too believe that we are called to live holy lives unto God, but even so, no one is perfect. Is it your understanding that only those who have been cleansed of all sin (through a recent confession) can administer the Eucharist?

I guess I am somewhat confused about what your question really is.

Thanks!

Thanks for your honesty. If a Priest knows that another
priest has a history of sin and repentance seems to be useless then the priest
that is unable to repent should not be given the honor of priesthood and
should be defrocked. and criminal charges should follow.There are different
levels to sin.. I will simply explain that I am referring to mortal ones. Baptizing a child or serving communion should be performed by clean hands and bodies.:crosself:

 

[MarkAnthony]

MarkAnthony: It is NOT what goes in a man that makes him unclean, but what comes out. All of us are sinners. We are no more clean than someone else in the faith.

That which comes out of a man
makes him unclean and not a priest if he has not repented. He or she as in the case of a nun or other have removed themself from the inner circle of Honor to
Serve the LORD to his flock.:crosself:

 

[Ainesis]

Thanks for your honesty. If a Priest knows that another
priest has a history of sin and repentance seems to be useless then the priest
that is unable to repent should not be given the honor of priesthood and
should be defrocked. and criminal charges should follow.There are different
levels to sin.. I will simply explain that I am referring to mortal ones. Baptizing a child or serving communion should be performed by clean hands and bodies.:crosself:

I understand. Thanks for the clarification!

 

[MarkAnthony]

The is a young girl in New Jersey that is 9 years old. Because she can
not tolerate wheat in her stomach she can not eat the wafer that is
blessed by the Catholic Mass. The Roman Catholic Church has refused
to recognize her FIRST Communion because it was a rice wafer instead.

I am furious that The Roman Catholic Church, which has itself permitted
unclean hands and priests to serve the Communion to so many others,
first or second or 1,999 communion. They were also nullified by the filth
of the Priests.

What would Jesus Christ say to this? Refuse to accept this girl? Then I shall
refuse you. She is more HOLY than the Church for her virgin desire for the
LORD. I believe that her exception is acceptable to JESUS. I also believe
that he could heal her as a result of being with her in Spirit. Who are they
to deny her Spiritual healing. Who are these HYPOCRITES. I will bless the
rice wafer for her as a regular RC member and not a Priest and stand between
them and this Girl if necessary. GOD Blessed her on her first Communion. Who
would want to take away that gift from her over such a small exception.

This is an example of how I define HOLY COMMUNION...it needs Spiritual Blessing through a clean person with a clean conscionce. The Church
herself then is not clean.:crosself:

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

That which comes out of a man
makes him unclean and not a priest if he has not repented. He or she as in the case of a nun or other have removed themself from the inner circle of Honor to
Serve the LORD to his flock.:crosself:

How can you judge repentance?

 

[MarkAnthony]

How can you question the right thing to do in the first place?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

How can you question the right thing to do in the first place?

One cannot.

 

[MarkAnthony]

If I were 9 and I was told my First Communion was not recognized

because the wafer was not wheat I would have asked the question

why did I get it in the first place?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

If I were 9 and I was told my First Communion was not recognized

because the wafer was not wheat I would have asked the question

why did I get it in the first place?

Does it matter what the person said? It only matters what Jesus recognizes.

 

[MarkAnthony]

The Church is suppose to be the voice of JESUS? Suppose to reflect the

ethics and teachings of JESUS. The same Church denies a 9 year old

his Spiritual union has occurred because there is no wheat in rice?

Christ could bless a fig and it would be acceptable.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

The Church is suppose to be the voice of JESUS? Suppose to reflect the

ethics and teachings of JESUS. The same Church denies a 9 year old

his Spiritual union has occurred because there is no wheat in rice?

Christ could bless a fig and it would be acceptable.

Maybe that church/person is not part of the true church?

 

[MarkAnthony]

Judging by their statement I would agree ......I went to

mass this weekend and the Catholic Priest informed me that


they do have low sugar/wheat wafers especially made for this

purpose because it has come up before... The Catholics will

solve the food problem and I believe that this Girl has already

been Blessed by JESUS just by wanting to be there in the first

place..... Back to the thread topic.......HOLY COMMUNION....


I was taught to take Communion without it touching my hands

just my tongue..... I know rules have changed... Probably because

people serving may have been sick or carry germs.... But I am talking

about spiritual sickness in this thread......Have I become contaminated

by these perverts if they fed me the HOST? Is the HOST BLESSED?

Or should I have stopped by McDonald's on the way and ate a breakfast

potatoe with an Our Father instead?

Once a year we are suppose to get "COMMUNION" during pascal season.

Where can I go where I know the Server is CLEAN and HOLY? ROME?

I know of one place in my life that has an authentic Priest. I only go there

when I can get to this Church. It is from my past and I know the staff all too

well....I also checked them out too... But in my HOMETOWN? Is there a list


published or one that will be published with 5 STAR churches where Priests

are pre-screened through rigorous methods so that I can feel comfortable?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Your communion won't be unholy because someone else does it for you. Only Jesus' blessing counts, and if you recieve communion in full faith, then He will bless it, no matter how messed up the person who gave it to you is.

 

[MarkAnthony]

I do not agree... Read the thread from the beginning.....It has

been taught and discussed..Several references in the Bible as well..

People who live in Darkness should not handle the LIGHT. They should

repent first and be washed. They should have their hearts on FIRE and

be Burning with the HOLY SPIRIT.. as the woman who walked along the

road with the Risen Christ did without recognizing HIM at first until he

performed the breaking of the bread and the lifting of the cup with them.

And then their eyes were opened to His identity. ...This an Apostle recorded

for us......The sinners live in a cold lonely darkness and are stuck there until

they repent.....