Holiness

ForceofTime · Sep 14, 2011

Michael Collum said:
Read the passage in a wider context, it is the "holy law" that aggravates the flesh to sin .

...Or maybe sin, through flesh, 'took occasion' to propagate itself through a holy law.

Did Jesus, being holy, aggravate the Pharisees to sin, or aggravate Judas into a son of perdition, or aggravate greater judgment on Chorazin and Bethsaida? Well in that case, yes, it could be said He did; but was it because He was holy or because they were evil in flesh? The parable excerpt in Matthew comes to mind:

Matthew 20:15 KJV Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

knowing this i choose a more spiritually efficient solution .

Good. So did Paul:

Romans 7:25 KJV I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

And as he further explains in chapter 8, the flesh being dead allows him to properly follow that holy law in Christ Jesus in the Spirit which was impossible for him to do before.

the Holy Spirit who guides us all into all truth .

And the Holy Spirit, being holy, does just that; so then, how can a holy law speak falsely? Can we say the holy law is not truth simply because it aggravates sin in the flesh? But does a holy law also aggravate the mind and the Spirit to sin? "God forbid."

Rick Otto · Sep 14, 2011

goodness!

Nanopants · Sep 14, 2011

fhansen said:
Holiness is love-I'm not sure why we shouldn't know that-love is what conforms us to the image of God. And that's why the greatest commandments are what they are. I think we can easily overlook or trivialize the importance of this virtue, which is considered to be a supernatural gift, BTW-and start imagining that holiness is some kind of spiritual quality that has to do with pious looks on people's faces and halos or whatever, but it really is as simple as loving as God does and as He wants; because love's the highest good.

and

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

(1 John 4:8)

Frogster · Sep 14, 2011

Lets not outrage the Spirit, by binding anyone to the old cov. We have an alter, they can't eat from. We are people of promise, law voids promise, Rom 4;14. look at the warning here, to those who would reinstitute, the old cov.

Hebrews 10;29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

13:10 We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat.

Frogster · Sep 14, 2011

Rick Otto said:
goodness!

gracious, great balls of fire!

brinny · Sep 14, 2011

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Gregory Thompson · Sep 15, 2011

ForceofTime said:
...Or maybe sin, through flesh, 'took occasion' to propagate itself through a holy law.

Did Jesus, being holy, aggravate the Pharisees to sin, or aggravate Judas into a son of perdition, or aggravate greater judgment on Chorazin and Bethsaida? Well in that case, yes, it could be said He did; but was it because He was holy or because they were evil in flesh? The parable excerpt in Matthew comes to mind:

Matthew 20:15 KJV Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Good. So did Paul:

Romans 7:25 KJV I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

And as he further explains in chapter 8, the flesh being dead allows him to properly follow that holy law in Christ Jesus in the Spirit which was impossible for him to do before.

And the Holy Spirit, being holy, does just that; so then, how can a holy law speak falsely? Can we say the holy law is not truth simply because it aggravates sin in the flesh? But does a holy law also aggravate the mind and the Spirit to sin? "God forbid."

The holy law is good if used lawfully . humans cannot use the law lawfully, so another covenant was necessary . the law is obsolete .

razeontherock · Sep 15, 2011

fhansen said:
Holiness means to be perfect-and is the same as righteousness. It means simply to be wholly the beings God created us to be, no more and no less. In its most concise form it means to love God with our whole heart, soul, mind and strength and our neighbor as ourselves. Because this is mans' justice-what makes him just.

You're saying all 3 are the same thing, but there seems to be a distinction:

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." (Rev 22:11)

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

from scratch said:
That is because we're on different levels. You pursue the natural wan we peusue the spiritual. Spiritual thing are only understood spiritually. You'reclearly not following the Spirit as noted by your confession above.

If we judge ourselves we wont be judged. Leave the Judging of others up to God.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

Frogster said:
Lets not outrage the Spirit, [/B].

I agree, Lets not grieve the holy Spirit

Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

If i follow the teaching of Ephesians, i am following after spiritual things and not the flesh right? Apparently those Christians that the letter of Ephesians was addressed to still wanted to sin, the author had to straiten them out. I don't like being judged and i don't like getting hard nosed with someone when i'm trying to control my tongue. But sometimes you just got to straiten people out when they judge you. Especially when they are wrong.

JohnRabbit · Sep 15, 2011

i just believe what the bible says:

Psalms 119:172(NKJV)
172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

JohnRabbit said:
i just believe what the bible says:

Psalms 119:172(NKJV)
172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

Me too.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

om 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Sounds Spiritual.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

Here we have Paul telling brethren, not heathens, to not live after the flesh. He is telling them to mortify the deeds of the flesh. Is Paul not spiritual? Is He an enemy of the Cross? I don't think so.

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Gal_5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit

Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Maybe this is why i like the law. Because it exposes sin and i think i show love for God by not sinning, the law helps me do this.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

Be wise, know what the will of the Lord is, that's what Paul says.

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

That's some good teaching from a good teacher.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

Php 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

11822 · Sep 15, 2011

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

There's that word righteousness again.

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