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Historical Jesus

Discussion in 'Historical Jesus' started by Jason_240, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. Rosalila

    Rosalila Newbie

    I didn't know about it until I went looking. All I said was that it LOOKED authentic, especially considering the fact that the Romans recorded things like crazy. Until recently, no one has questioned the existence of Jesus, so there would be no real purpose of even bringing such a thing to light.
  2. Christ's_Warrior

    Christ's_Warrior Newbie


    It is a pity that the unbelievers try and discredit the gospels by using human reasoning and understanding, clearly the word of God is not intended for the heathen. "These things are hidden from the wise and prudent, but they have been revealed to babes"

    Human Intellect, philosophy, history, science etc cannot bring the word of God into light, only the Holy Spirit can do this, fact is that without the Holy Spirit the word of God becomes raw data.

    An example would be this, I work with SQL and through reporting tools I am able to retrieve raw data from the Operational Data Store and turn this data into meaningful reports, without these reporting tools all i have is masses of raw data that do not mean much. This is the same as God's word and the Holy Spirit, God's word is raw data but the Holy Spirit enables us to understand it from a perspective that the most prudent of men would have trouble contemplating.

    This leads to fallacious theories such as, Jesus never existed, Jesus was Gay (far be it from our Lord) Jesus married Mary Magdelene, Jesus and the apostles were political rebels, Jesus and the Apostles were drug addicts (this was on the news in Sydney a few years back), Christianity was an invention by the Romans, Paul created Christianity, Christianity was invented because of the political climate of 1st century Rome.

    These are all fancified theories based on the unbelievers lack of faith, love of sin and that they detest Jesus and his commands because of their intellectual pride.

    I pray that these people turn to Christ and be freed from the shackles of sin and find the peace and joy we know and love. Amen
  3. richherleikson

    richherleikson Newbie

    Proof in the on-line book "Jesus was 61" [christjesussonofgod dot blogspot dot com/2010/05/jesus-was-61 dot html].
  4. lesliedellow

    lesliedellow Member

    Here is another quotation from Josephus. There is no reason to think it is an interpolation, and few (if any) scholars think that it is:

    "After the death of the procurator Festus, when Albinus was about to succeed him, the high-priest Ananius considered it a favorable opportunity to assemble the Sanhedrin. He therefore caused James the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, and several others, to appear before this hastily assembled council, and pronounced upon them the sentence of death by stoning. All the wise men and strict observers of the law who were at Jerusalem expressed their disapprobation of this act...Some even went to Albinus himself, who had departed to Alexandria, to bring this breach of the law under his observation, and to inform him that Ananius had acted illegally in assembling the Sanhedrin without the Roman authority."

    Any Christian interpolation would have had far more to say about Jesus. The above passage contains just a passing, though significant, mention of him.
  5. racyhall11

    racyhall11 Newbie

    The historical Jesus refers to scholarly reconstructions of the first century figure Jesus of Nazareth. The search for the Historical Jesus is a rather recent undertaking of so called scholars and realists, who look to dissect the Biblical record and paint a real picture of the man, Jesus.
  6. hand banana

    hand banana Newbie

    The first thing you should decide is what types of evidences garner what weight.

    Check what evidence you have, and going through the historical method, weight each piece as appropriate.

    The second thing is in deciding, of all the possible outcomes you can think of, which is the most likely, based on the weighted evidence, and why.

    The strength of your argument will depend on how well you are able to collect, categorize, and explain the existing evidence.

    It's quite natural to go into something with an idea of what you want to occur, but going into it with assurance that your position is correct will cause you to mishandle the evidence and weaken the strength of your argument (because you will then attempt to argue in spite of the evidence, rather than in accordance with it).

    Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger each have tid bits for you to investigate.

    Josephus, Lucian, gnostic texts, Celsus.

    You should also look at the opposing theorem, such as Jesus Myth, and figure out where there are holes or flaws in the argument.

    For instance, the general characterization of Jesus throughout the multitude of independently written works (keep in mind the synoptic gospel writers did have some collaboration) is pretty solid, which argues against Jesus being a mythological being, as each author would have to be privy to the "official" story in order to replicate the same mythology.

    Likewise, historical considerations such as how many other messiahs were running around in that time make it more likely that there was some actual person on which these stories were based.

    No, it just makes it circular logic and therefore not appropriate for an honest, academic exercise.
  7. steve53

    steve53 Newbie

    Exactly right, HB.
    A lot of the problem is historians tend to use the Talmud, or medieval Jewish traditions, or the old testament, to "flesh out" our knowledge of Jesus and early christian times. Josephus is our only real source for this, along with Philo.
    Hagan in "The Passover year" does a nice job of using the Roman and Jewish history of those times to shed light on things.