These are implicit and they don't connect to a larger narrative so can be misleading. Do you have more explicit examples?
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These are implicit and they don't connect to a larger narrative so can be misleading. Do you have more explicit examples?I already proved it with the list of people born after the flood.
Is that graph an example of linear vs exponential or is it actual life expectancy data? It's just missing headers or what the scale means so it's not very useful if it is actual data.The plot line for life extension is not linear, but is an exponential curve.
People keep saying this but no one lists sources.
These are implicit and they don't connect to a larger narrative so can be misleading. Do you have more explicit examples?
It seems pretty clear from the context. It is also noted that Noah was at least five-hundred years of age when he beget Shem, Ham and Jepheth (Genesis 5:32). He was at least six-hundred when "the flood of waters came upon the earth" (Genesis 7:6). It is with certainty that while Noah was building the Ark, God restrained his wrath until it was completed. It was time for him to prepare, and the world to repent.
Your explanation leaves a void of why there was a general decrease of life spans. We don't see 500 year old people any more and would call it impossible.Like I said, if man's lifespan was limited to 120 years, it was not instituted since many lived long past 120. You have to try somehow to prove human lifespans were limited to 120 years when it actually wasn't.
120 years before the flood matches everything best and does not contradict known lifespans over 120 years.
Your explanation leaves a void of why there was a general decrease of life spans. We don't see 500 year old people any more and would call it impossible.
If we say Genesis was written by Moses then I'm unaware of any claims to ages that exceed 120 during his time or after (but I could be mistaken).
If your explanation is true then the shorten lifespans has no story or reason and is just arbitrary.
Is that graph an example of linear vs exponential or is it actual life expectancy data? It's just missing headers or what the scale means so it's not very useful if it is actual data.
Gen 6:3
Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
what does this text tell us?
do you agree/disagree with these conclusions of the text? Do you want to add anything? how do we reconcile that even today there are those, albeit rare, who live past 120 years?
- before the text it would suggest God's spirit abided in man "forever" (referencing, of course, the Hebrew concept)
- after the text, humans are limited to a 120-year life span (suggesting before it was longer)
- man is flesh, not spirit.
Someone that comes to mind is Moses who lives to the 120 mark right on. Is there a connection with the two? Moses' life was divided into three 40 yr periods, 40 years in Egypt, 40 years out of Egypt and 40 years in the desert. Often Eastern thinking sees details like these as fluid, their focus is to build a greater goal so will adjust things to declare the goal best, because the goal is the most important part and the details that build the goal are there to support it not to challenge it. So I find it curious that Moses hit this mark so exactly and his life was organized the way it was. Even in his death, it is clear that it was not Moses' failing health that contributed to his death as scripture tells us he was strong but that it was time for him to die as ordained by God. Moses climbs a mountain, saw the promised land and I infer that God removed His spirit from him and he died, affirming Gen 6:3.
Prior to the fall they were sustained by the tree of life, which they were free to eat from (unconditional immortality is not Biblical IMO).Gen 6:3
Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
what does this text tell us?
do you agree/disagree with these conclusions of the text? Do you want to add anything? how do we reconcile that even today there are those, albeit rare, who live past 120 years?
- before the text it would suggest God's spirit abided in man "forever" (referencing, of course, the Hebrew concept)
- after the text, humans are limited to a 120-year life span (suggesting before it was longer)
- man is flesh, not spirit.
Someone that comes to mind is Moses who lives to the 120 mark right on. Is there a connection with the two? Moses' life was divided into three 40 yr periods, 40 years in Egypt, 40 years out of Egypt and 40 years in the desert. Often Eastern thinking sees details like these as fluid, their focus is to build a greater goal so will adjust things to declare the goal best, because the goal is the most important part and the details that build the goal are there to support it not to challenge it. So I find it curious that Moses hit this mark so exactly and his life was organized the way it was. Even in his death, it is clear that it was not Moses' failing health that contributed to his death as scripture tells us he was strong but that it was time for him to die as ordained by God. Moses climbs a mountain, saw the promised land and I infer that God removed His spirit from him and he died, affirming Gen 6:3.
Only in the west. 3 score and ten does seem to remain the average on an international perspective.The point being that life expectancy is increasing at an exponential rate.
At a foreseeable point each year medicine will increase your life by another 2 years.
More dynamic translations can be wrong.more dynamic translations disagree
NLT: In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years.
MSG: from now on they can expect a life span of 120 years.
CGV: No one will live for more than 120 years
GNT: From now on they will live no longer than 120 years
ISV: Their lifespan will be 120 years
GWT: They will live 120 years
I couldn't find one that agreed with the countdown theory, the others, of course, have the more ambiguous wording of something along the lines of "their days will be a hundred and twenty years". to be honest I've never considered it as a countdown and always read it as 120 years = lifespan
One woman lived to be 122. One man lived to be 116.Gen 6:3
Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
what does this text tell us?
do you agree/disagree with these conclusions of the text? Do you want to add anything? how do we reconcile that even today there are those, albeit rare, who live past 120 years?
- before the text it would suggest God's spirit abided in man "forever" (referencing, of course, the Hebrew concept)
- after the text, humans are limited to a 120-year life span (suggesting before it was longer)
- man is flesh, not spirit.
Someone that comes to mind is Moses who lives to the 120 mark right on. Is there a connection with the two? Moses' life was divided into three 40 yr periods, 40 years in Egypt, 40 years out of Egypt and 40 years in the desert. Often Eastern thinking sees details like these as fluid, their focus is to build a greater goal so will adjust things to declare the goal best, because the goal is the most important part and the details that build the goal are there to support it not to challenge it. So I find it curious that Moses hit this mark so exactly and his life was organized the way it was. Even in his death, it is clear that it was not Moses' failing health that contributed to his death as scripture tells us he was strong but that it was time for him to die as ordained by God. Moses climbs a mountain, saw the promised land and I infer that God removed His spirit from him and he died, affirming Gen 6:3.
Gen 6:3
Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
what does this text tell us?
do you agree/disagree with these conclusions of the text? Do you want to add anything? how do we reconcile that even today there are those, albeit rare, who live past 120 years?
- before the text it would suggest God's spirit abided in man "forever" (referencing, of course, the Hebrew concept)
- after the text, humans are limited to a 120-year life span (suggesting before it was longer)
- man is flesh, not spirit.
Someone that comes to mind is Moses who lives to the 120 mark right on. Is there a connection with the two? Moses' life was divided into three 40 yr periods, 40 years in Egypt, 40 years out of Egypt and 40 years in the desert. Often Eastern thinking sees details like these as fluid, their focus is to build a greater goal so will adjust things to declare the goal best, because the goal is the most important part and the details that build the goal are there to support it not to challenge it. So I find it curious that Moses hit this mark so exactly and his life was organized the way it was. Even in his death, it is clear that it was not Moses' failing health that contributed to his death as scripture tells us he was strong but that it was time for him to die as ordained by God. Moses climbs a mountain, saw the promised land and I infer that God removed His spirit from him and he died, affirming Gen 6:3.
what does this text tell us?
do you agree/disagree with these conclusions of the text? Do you want to add anything? how do we reconcile that even today there are those, albeit rare, who live past 120 years?
- before the text it would suggest God's spirit abided in man "forever" (referencing, of course, the Hebrew concept)
- after the text, humans are limited to a 120-year life span (suggesting before it was longer)
- man is flesh, not spirit.
Are you saying you doubt people lived as long as they did after the flood ie: the list I posted?
Human life spans did eventually reduce but it has nothing to do with God saying human life would end in 120 years at the time of Noah...clearly a reference to the flood not the length of human life forever.
do you have a graph with labels and numbers so I can tell what it is indicating?The point being that life expectancy is increasing at an exponential rate.
At a foreseeable point each year medicine will increase your life by another 2 years.
is that what you're suggesting? the only 6 that seems to go a little beyond the literal words entering into that a bit more interpretation all agree and none indicate it is a countdown before the flood. such information seems arbitrary, what purpose is there for us to know this information of a 120-year countdown? how does this information contribute to the text?More dynamic translations can be wrong.
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