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In what stretch of the imagination are the lives of soldiers to be considered above those of innocent civilians? How could any person rationalize that?!

They were the enemy. It is preferable that we wipe out the entire nation than loose 100 men, IMO.

Not to mention, at that time, the Japanese culture was disgusting, and perpetuated a cruelty almost unparalleled in the war.

And now you got Japanese officials denying the use of comfort women. AFAIC, we should have nuked them a few more times and executed every Japanese solider.
 
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They were the enemy. It is preferable that we wipe out the entire nation than loose 100 men, IMO.

Not to mention, at that time, the Japanese culture was disgusting, and perpetuated a cruelty almost unparalleled in the war.

And now you got Japanese officials denying the use of comfort women. AFAIC, we should have nuked them a few more times and executed every Japanese solider.
ok nowthat is stupid.

Yes war is hell.

The other parts are just plain stupid. got evidence for those comments? And do you think prostitution should be legal or illegal?
 
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I would love to see a world where there are no deaths by violence, but understand the impossiblity.

That being said, why does one have to distinguish between civilian and military deaths? Just because some people put on a uniform - not always voluntarily - does that mean they are less worthy to live?

In war, the logical conclusion is better them than us.
 
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They were the enemy. It is preferable that we wipe out the entire nation than loose 100 men, IMO.

Not to mention, at that time, the Japanese culture was disgusting, and perpetuated a cruelty almost unparalleled in the war.

And now you got Japanese officials denying the use of comfort women. AFAIC, we should have nuked them a few more times and executed every Japanese solider.

The cities were military targets.
The populations were working in factories, building weapons.
 
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They were the enemy. It is preferable that we wipe out the entire nation than loose 100 men, IMO.

Not to mention, at that time, the Japanese culture was disgusting, and perpetuated a cruelty almost unparalleled in the war.

And now you got Japanese officials denying the use of comfort women. AFAIC, we should have nuked them a few more times and executed every Japanese solider.
Even if everything you just said was true (It isn't) That does not give us an excuse to use such a horrific weapon.
What is the use of fighting the bad guys if in the end you become even worse? I oppose the use of nuclear weapons for the same reason I oppose torture and every other excess of government. As a free state we're supposed to be the good guys. Lapses like Hiroshima and other such times when our nation committed such heinous acts should be seen for the inexcusable actions of villainy they are.
 
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There were numerous reasons as to why the bomb was dropped. Ranging from political reasons with the American people, to diplomatic reasons with the Soviet Union. Im going to touch up on one though, the primary reasons.

Truman shared the same goal as FDR before his death--which was to end the war as soon as possible with the least amount of American casualties. The US had already suffered unimaginable losses in Iwo Jima, Tarawa, Okinawa. The only other alternative to an unconditional surrender by Japan was either: A full invasion(which was in the works) and/or a blockade.

A) Both of those options meant that victory could be months away. Some estimates showed that a blockade would result in the starvation and deaths of millions of Japanese, and still result in inevitable American casualties.

B) An invasion of Japan was almost unthinkable. Hirohito on June 8th 1945 agreed to all-out resistance of the Japanese Civilian population, in which nearly 100 million civilians were being actively trained in preparation for an American Invasion of Japan for a heroic last stand.

Conservative estimates would have put the casualties for an Invasion of Japan, at roughly 1 million for the United States alone. Japan would have lost roughly 1/3rd of it's entire population. We're talking tens of millions of people. Read it again. Tens of millions of people.

Roughly 500,000 purple hearts were manufactured in preparation for this invasion, and to this day that stockpile hasn't been depleted--even though they've been handed out to injured American military personnel in every war since WWII and we still haven't depleted the supply. I'm talking the Korean War, Vietnam, the Gulf War, and Iraq occupation combined.

However, an invasion never took place. 1/3rd of the Japanese population didn't have to die in an invasion. The US didn't have to suffer an additional 1+ million casualties. Why is this?

The atomic bomb.

The bomb, as cruel and horrible as it was--ended the war. It prevented the Japanese leadership from furthering an already pointless war and lost cause, it prevented them from continuing the suffering of their own people, after selfishly refusing to surrender numerous times.

The dropping of the atomic bomb was a merciful decision on our part. It spared Japan complete Annihilation that an invasion would have brought, and saved tens of millions of lives.
 
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The bomb, as cruel and horrible as it was--ended the war. It prevented the Japanese leadership from furthering an already pointless war and lost cause, it prevented them from continuing the suffering of their own people, after selfishly refusing to surrender numerous times.

Thats pretty much my point. Even if it can be seen as necessary, I'd rather people didn't go around trying to morally justify it. To my mind, killing millions, deliberately in one fell swoop cannot be morally justified.
 
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