Hilter not mentioned in Reveltion?

[LSDanakin]

Is Hilter or the third Reich mentioned in the book? Is it one of the Kingdoms?

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi


No It is not.

The beast of rev 17 is the Holy Roman Empire. The Last version of this Kingdom will have the Beast from the Pit as its King.

Prophecy makes no separation between the kingdom and the King of fulfillment calling both the Beast.

Daniel 7:17: These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. ……………………………….. 23: Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

As we can see in Daniel 7: the Beast is both the King and the kingdom. This is repeated in revelation.

The Seven heads of the holy Roman Empire are

The seven peaks are as follows Justinian 554AD, Carlemagne 800AD Next is Otto the Great in 962AD he reunites the power of the Church and State. The fourth is Rudolph I or the Hapsburg Dynasty 1273 AD , the fifth is Leopold I 1685AD. The next merger of State and Church when Napoleon takes over Europe and crowns himself Holy Roman Emperor……..this ends in 1815 at Waterloo. These are the first six of the last seven horns.

The Final version of the Holy Roman Empire will be made up of 10 kingdoms that all willingly turn over their Kingdom to the beast from the pit.

 

[interpreter]

Is Hilter or the third Reich mentioned in the book? Is it one of the Kingdoms?

Yes, Hitler and his Third Reich (or Third Reign of Rome) are definitely mentioned. Rome is head six of the beast, and the Third reich is the third six of the 6-6-6 trilogy.
WW II lasted excatly 3 1/2 years (beginning with the bombing of Pearl Harbor when it became truly a world war).

Barry

 

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[Just The Facts]

Hi

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WW II lasted excatly 3 1/2 years (beginning with the bombing of Pearl Harbor when it became truly a world war).
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WOW talk about American centered.

WW II was six years long it started in September of 1939.

By the Time America Joined in the war was already being fought all over the World.

England
France
Poland
Canada
Australia
Egypt
Jordan
Greece
Turkey
Russia
China
Japan

Fighting in Africa, Europe, Asia. And on every Ocean in the World.

The only thing that happened in 41 was officially America joined in

 

[zaire]

WW II lasted excatly 3 1/2 years (beginning with the bombing of Pearl Harbor when it became truly a world war).

WW2 started in 1939 and ended in 1945. Thats 6 years.

 

[interpreter]

WW2 started in 1939 and ended in 1945. Thats 6 years.

A war cannot be a world war unless the US, the world's biggest military power, is also invloved.

The point is, Hitler is the antiChrist, in the historicist view.

Barry

 

[OhhJim]

A war cannot be a world war unless the US, the world's biggest military power, is also invloved.

Interesting logic. So, if the whole world, except America, is fighting a war, it would be incorrect to call it a "world war"? And WWI started in 1917?

 

[hannabl]

I would call it a World War since Europe, Africa (e.g. Egypt), Asia (Japan, the part of Russia that's in Asia), America (represented by Canada) and Australia fought.

Not sure if Hitler is mentioned in the Revelation, since if he were then Stalin and other dictators (some which murdered more people then Hitler) sort of would have to be mentioned as well.... On the other hand a World War is pretty big.

But, anyway, I do not believe that we live in the endtimes.

 

[ReBjorn]

Hitler is one of the many antichrists. The bible says there would be many antichrists, culminating with the antichrist.

 

[interpreter]

Not sure if Hitler is mentioned in the Revelation, since if he were then Stalin and other dictators (some which murdered more people then Hitler) sort of would have to be mentioned as well.... On the other hand a World War is pretty big.

Good thinking. Stalin and Moscow are also mentioned, not just Hitler.

Moscow is the great harlot that sits on 7 hills and many waters. Moscow sits on 7 hills and 5 seas, and was the ruler over many "peoples, nations and tongues" during the Soviet era (See Rev. 17:1,9,15).
And Moscow was alligned with Hitler for a short time before Hitler turned on her. (17:16)

Barry

 

[ReBjorn]

Good thinking. Stalin and Moscow are also mentioned, not just Hitler.

Moscow is the great harlot that sits on 7 hills and many waters. Moscow sits on 7 hills and 5 seas, and was the ruler over many "peoples, nations and tongues" during the Soviet era (See Rev. 17:1,9,15).
And Moscow was alligned with Hitler for a short time before Hitler turned on her. (17:16)

Barry

But many say that the great harlot that sits on 7 hills is Rome. Rome is built on 7 hills.
Interesting though. I did not know Moscow sits on 7 hills. But what's with the five seas?

 

[hannabl]

And I believe that perhaps it's best to leave Revelation be, and not start pointing fingers at possible 'Babylons'.

There will always be many theories as to what the seven hills means, is it Rome, is i Moscow, is it not a place but seven events that leads to something, etc.

We should be aware that there has come, and will come anti-christs. We must make sure to follow our consciense, to follow Christ. But I believe that we can do this by being lead by God through prayer, not by dechiffering the revelation trying to logically decide where the evil lies.

All in peace, Hanna

PS. Don't get me wrong, I happen to love Revelation, and i constantly find myself trying to interpret it

 

[carminejulie]

Is Hilter or the third Reich mentioned in the book? Is it one of the Kingdoms?

In fact, YES he is.

But to understand this, we have to be able to identify who the harlot was first, then identify why the beast was not in John's day, then the heads make sense.

There would be a gap between the 6th and 7th head in the beast in revelation. but the beast taht was, is not. That means the power of that beast during the reign of the 6th head government, (Rome) was cut off during the time Rome reigned. This is the head wound.

The beast was not because he had been BOUND. Appollyon is the locust king, he comes out from within the bottomless pit, he is satan.

When satan was unvound, he could reappear as another beast nation. And not before. For the gospel to go out into all the world, the strongman HAD TO BE BOUND...

In what way? So he could not deceive the nations any longer. But, he is given a season to trample on the saints once he is released.

Whomever the harlot was that rode the beast for the first 6 heads, rides the beast for the rest, there is only one harlot. It is the onewho claims their God did not die, they are still queen. They deny Christ's sacrifice as YHVH on the cross, their maker AGAINST isaiah 54.

Israel is the harlot....

The re-establishment of Israel (the harlot manifesting in the world again) came with it, the manifestation of the beast she rode...

Hitler wsa the 7th head. We are told the 7th head would come for a short time and NAziism only appeared for a short time.

This is far from being totally inclusive of material but I wanted to get the initial information out.

Israel prostituted herself with all nations prior to and the zionists conspired with Germany and others to claim Palestine.... When Hitler allowed the jews to leave europe, many options wre available but the zionists who had conspired since the turn of the century used the war to strongarm Hilter and Britian to giving up the promised land or else they wouldnot leave. These are facts. Ultra Orthodox jews have documented material to prove the harlotry of zionism, (in using the beast tor reclaim the promised land)

much more later

CArmine

 

[interpreter]

But many say that the great harlot that sits on 7 hills is Rome. Rome is built on 7 hills.
Interesting though. I did not know Moscow sits on 7 hills. But what's with the five seas?

A lot of cities sit on 7 hills. E.g. Because Constantinople did, it was often called the second Rome, especially after the fall of Rome in 476AD. After the fall of Constantinople, Moscow was called the Third Rome.

With the aid of canals, Moscow has come also to be called the Port of Five Seas. You can get on a boat in Moscow and easily go to any one of five different seas. They are the Baltic, White, Azov, Black and Caspian Sea. See map at http://www.infoservices.com/moscow/map/seas.html

Barry

 

[interpreter]

And I believe that perhaps it's best to leave Revelation be, and not start pointing fingers at possible 'Babylons'.

There will always be many theories as to what the seven hills means, is it Rome, is i Moscow, is it not a place but seven events that leads to something, etc.

We should be aware that there has come, and will come anti-christs. We must make sure to follow our consciense, to follow Christ. But I believe that we can do this by being lead by God through prayer, not by dechiffering the revelation trying to logically decide where the evil lies.

All in peace, Hanna

Don't get me wrong, I happen to love Revelation, and i constantly find myself trying to interpret it

Hi Hanna,

Well u did bring up Stalin, and Moscow sits on 7 hills and many seas. And Hitler did come to hate Moscow and its rulers. At least i didn't say that great Babylon was Rome (or the Roman Catholic Chrurch, etc.), which you're probably tired of hearing.

I think that Moscow could end up being on the wrong side in the Battle of Ar Mageddon -- which begins in Iraq where the Euphrates recently dried up.

Barry

 

[carminejulie]

A lot of cities sit on 7 hills. E.g. Because Constantinople did, it was often called the second Rome, especially after the fall of Rome in 476AD. After the fall of Constantinople, Moscow was called the Third Rome.

With the aid of canals, Moscow has come also to be called the Port of Five Seas. You can get on a boat in Moscow and easily go to any one of five different seas. They are the Baltic, White, Azov, Black and Caspian Sea. See map at

Barry

just to add:

How many know Jerusalem sat on 7 hills? It was common for RELIGIOUS centers to find a location where thre were 7 hills they cold establish themselves in, thus Constantinople.

Vatican City is not on Rome's 7 hills, it is on another hill, one of the other 3-4, so Rome really has like 9-10 hills... (smiles)

Carmine

 

[hannabl]

Hi Hanna,

Well u did bring up Stalin, and Moscow sits on 7 hills and many seas. And Hitler did come to hate Moscow and its rulers. At least i didn't say that great Babylon was Rome (or the Roman Catholic Chrurch, etc.), which you're probably tired of hearing.

I think that Moscow could end up being on the wrong side in the Battle of Ar Mageddon -- which begins in Iraq where the Euphrates recently dried up.

Barry

(Yes, I am quite tired of that...)

 

[zaire]

A war cannot be a world war unless the US, the world's biggest military power, is also invloved.

Says who?