Hi! Question about the Jews:

[DaBronx]

Hey guys,

Blessings in Christ Jesus!

I'm doing a study on world religions and need to know what does your religion feel about the Jews... are they still the chosen people... or do Christians and Christianity replace them?

thanks!!

 

[ebia]

Hey guys,

Blessings in Christ Jesus!

I'm doing a study on world religions and need to know what does your religion feel about the Jews... are they still the chosen people... or do Christians and Christianity replace them?

thanks!!

Jesus redefined the boundaries of Israel around faith in himself.

Or, in Paul's language, bits of the olive tree that were not bearing fruit were pruned, and bits of wild olive (us) grafted in.

Being God's chosen people is good, but if you don't recognise the promises as they come true there's a problem.

 

[AngCath]

I'll go with Romans 9

 

[DaBronx]

I'll go with Romans 9

Great... Thanks Dunstan, I actually learned something today... Going with this let me ask you:

If a Jew came to believe that Jesus Christ was/is the promised Messiah and came to faith in Him... would he then stop being Jewish and is now a Christian? or is there no hope anymore and we should stop witnessing to them...?

Thanks!
Lorry

 

[ebia]

Great... Thanks Dunstan, I actually learned something today... Going with this let me ask you:

If a Jew came to believe that Jesus Christ was/is the promised Messiah and came to faith in Him... would he then stop being Jewish and is now a Christian? or is there no hope anymore and we should stop witnessing to them...?

Thanks!
Lorry

Romans 11

 

[DaBronx]

Romans 11

Nice... thanks!!

 

[Skipton]

Hi all.
Both the Jews and the Christians have corrupted the scriptures. A Jew who believed in Isa still would not help him.

 

[ContraMundum]

Great... Thanks Dunstan, I actually learned something today... Going with this let me ask you:

If a Jew came to believe that Jesus Christ was/is the promised Messiah and came to faith in Him... would he then stop being Jewish and is now a Christian? or is there no hope anymore and we should stop witnessing to them...?

Thanks!
Lorry

I am Jewish by birth and culture, Christian by conviction and an Emergent Anglo-Catholic by persuasion.

I say go with Rom. 9-11, but please don't force Jewish people to adopt other cultures.

 

[ContraMundum]

Hi all.
Both the Jews and the Christians have corrupted the scriptures. A Jew who believed in Isa still would not help him.

a) Christians and Jews do not believe their scriptures to be corrupted. Obviously.

b) English speaking Christians writing on an English speaking forum do not use the word "Isa".

Obviously, if I combine points a) and b) and combine that with the bad grammar, I deduce you are Muslim, not in fact a Christian.

Please change your icon back to Muslim or I will report it.

Should you wish to debate the corrupted Bible theory with Christians, there are other forums for that. This is not one of them.

 

[Skipton]

Hi ContraMundum,
Obviously as I am a Christian and believe the bible is corrupted so some Christians do.

I am an English speaking Christian writing on an English speaking and have used the word "Isa" so some do.

I think you will find that is agianst the rules, I will let you off this time without reporting.

Flaming
You will not insult, belittle, mock, use derogatory nicknames in reference to other members, or personally attack other members or groups of members. Do not goad another member or start call-out threads. Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christian. Avoid using sarcasm to attempt any of the above. This flaming rule also applies to public religious figures.

 

[VincitOmniaVeritas]

Hi ContraMundum,
Obviously as I am a Christian and believe the bible is corrupted so some Christians do.

I am an English speaking Christian writing on an English speaking and have used the word "Isa" so some do.

I think you will find that is agianst the rules, I will let you off this time without reporting.

Flaming
You will not insult, belittle, mock, use derogatory nicknames in reference to other members, or personally attack other members or groups of members. Do not goad another member or start call-out threads. Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christian. Avoid using sarcasm to attempt any of the above. This flaming rule also applies to public religious figures.

I have to second ContraMundum:

English-speaking Christians do not use the word "Isa".

You are obviously not a native English speaker so it is understandable that you might be unfamiliar with that fact.

 

[Skipton]

Do English speaking Christians ever use the word Jehovah? or YWAH?
I think so.
Do English speaking Christians ever use the word Yeshuah?
I think so.

I as an English speaking Christian use the word Isa... so you will have to get used to it.

 

[Catherineanne]

I am Jewish by birth and culture, Christian by conviction and an Emergent Anglo-Catholic by persuasion.

I say go with Rom. 9-11, but please don't force Jewish people to adopt other cultures.

I think if the history of Judaism teaches us anything, it is that the Jewish people are remarkably resilient, and can stand for thousands of years against force of any kind. In which case, we do not need to be requested not to force them to adopt other cultures; such adoption is clearly a matter of their own volition, or not.

And quite right too.

 

[Catherineanne]

Do English speaking Christians ever use the word Jehovah? or YWAH?
I think so.
Do English speaking Christians ever use the word Yeshuah?
I think so.

Personally, because I am a relatively high Anglican, I do not use any of those. I use the term God of God, and I use the term 'Our Lord' or 'The Lord' for the Lord, and 'Our Lady' for his mother. I can be on first name terms, if I want; there is nothing to stop me, but I choose a politer form. No doubt if I met the Prime Minister I could call him Gordon, but I would prefer Mr Brown. It is the same thing.

I would not use Yeshua, or YHWH or any other non standard variant, because to me they are highly affected and artificial. The New Testament was written in Greek, not Aramaic. But each to his own.

I as an English speaking Christian use the word Isa... so you will have to get used to it.

Interesting tone.

This is not the English form. This is the Arabic form. It is not generally used by Christians, but by Moslems. As for whether we will have to get used to it, well, we will see. If you really want to pretend to be a Christian, perhaps you would do better to use the Christian version. But it is really your choice.

 

[Catherineanne]

Hi ContraMundum,
Obviously as I am a Christian and believe the bible is corrupted so some Christians do.

I am an English speaking Christian writing on an English speaking and have used the word "Isa" so some do.

Fair enough; not sure what church you belong to, but I will take your word for it. I very much suspect it is the church of Islamic Christianity; the kind which bows to Mecca five times a day, and believes what the Koran says of Christ and the Bible.

Is this not so?

 

[DaBronx]

I think if the history of Judaism teaches us anything, it is that the Jewish people are remarkably resilient, and can stand for thousands of years against force of any kind. In which case, we do not need to be requested not to force them to adopt other cultures; such adoption is clearly a matter of their own volition, or not.

And quite right too.

AMEN!

 

[_JJM]

Here is a good understanding of one body in Christ:

Ephesians 2:11-22

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

 

[ContraMundum]

Hi ContraMundum,
Obviously as I am a Christian and believe the bible is corrupted so some Christians do.

I am an English speaking Christian writing on an English speaking and have used the word "Isa" so some do.

I think you will find that is agianst the rules, I will let you off this time without reporting.

Skip...

We get lots and lots of Muslim people here pretending to be Christians saying precisely what you have said- the Bible is not reliable and they use the name "Isa". I'm sorry, but you have drawn this kind of attention to yourself. I can't be blamed for drawing more information out of you by making it plain.

I'm sure lots of Christians have issues with scripture- but I have yet to meet an English speaking Christian who uses the Arabic name for Yeshua in common conversation. Don't blame me if you come across as a typical Muslim poster. We've seen dozens of them here and they always start off nice before getting to the point where they begin their attempt at polemics and prosyletism, often at the expense of Jews.

 

[Skipton]

Just to make my point again, do English speaking Christians ever use the word Jehovah? or YWAH?
I think so.
Do English speaking Christians ever use the word Yeshuah?
I think so.

I as an English speaking Christian use the word Isa and it is against the rules to imply I am Muslim and not Christian when I am calling myself a Christian.

 

[ContraMundum]

Just to make my point again, do English speaking Christians ever use the word Jehovah? or YWAH?
I think so.

Yes, they do....but generally those tersm are considered Anglicised versions of Hebrew. So, in effect, they are still English words.

Do English speaking Christians ever use the word Yeshuah?
I think so.

Yes, they can and do use the Hebrew/Aramaic words...but never a 3rd party word like you are proposing. That would be like an English Speaker using the Hindi word for Jesus in daily conversation.

I as an English speaking Christian use the word Isa and it is against the rules to imply I am Muslim and not Christian when I am calling myself a Christian.

Why do you, an English speaker, use an Arabic word for a Aramaic/Hebrew word when speaking to English speakers? Isn't that completely pretentious? Isn't that about as absurd as me using the Swahili word for "bucket" when going to a shop run by English speakers selling buckets made in Vietnam?

What are your politics, I wonder? Anti-Israel I bet.