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Greetings from Upstate New York. I'm a computer programmer with a philosophy degree who loves to study St. Thomas Aquinas's theology, Plato's dialogues, and Aristotle's thought. Opera is my favorite kind of entertainment. So I hope may post an aria or two if that would interest anyone.

Maybe someone here will explain the Seventh-day Adventist doctrine about soul sleep because it confused when an Adventist told me about it. I'm here to learn from you.

Oh, did I mention that I'm an American monarchist?

I'm eager to "talk" with you.
welcome to CF; May the Lord Jesus guide you here as well as in the world; and may you find friends and what ever you need from the Lord here.

I do have a question for you; do you like music--Praise & Worship music?

I have found; in times of trouble; like we have with this CV-19; that listening to; and singing along to good Christian P&W music; can bring us closer to Jesus and His wonderful peace.

Well we have a new forum here at CF just for P&W music and at the top is a directory of other Christian music threads around CF; come and take a look!:wave:

Praise and Worship Music

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welcome to CF; May the Lord Jesus guide you here as well as in the world; and may you find friends and what ever you need from the Lord here.

I do have a question for you; do you like music--Praise & Worship music?

I have found; in times of trouble; like we have with this CV-19; that listening to; and singing along to good Christian P&W music; can bring us closer to Jesus and His wonderful peace.

Well we have a new forum here at CF just for P&W music and at the top is a directory of other Christian music threads around CF; come and take a look!:wave:

Praise and Worship Music

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Thank you, my friend. Wow, you know how to make a guy feel at home.

Years ago, I lost interest in popular music. But I adore Gounod's St. Cecelia Mass. Renaissance polyphony, pipe organ music, and some Gregorian chant. Although these aren't examples of praise and worship music in the usual sense of the phrase, they help me pray and meditate on Sacred Scripture. I don't attend charismatic services, partly because I've always felt uncomfortable at them. But let me give you some examples of sacred music I love.

 
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Maybe I know less than you think I do.

Fair enough. But hey, listen, you're in good company because I'm no theologian, either. I know just enough to ask intelligent questions, to draw settled conclusions, and to competently argue an opposing position.


What about conditional salvation? To me, it seems possibly unjust.

I don't know why you are talking about conditional salvation. We were talking about theological anthropology, not soteriology. If I confused you with my reference to conditional immortality, I would be happy to clarify it. Basically, it means that immortality is not an inherent property of all humans, but is rather a gift of God (who alone has immortality, 1 Tim 6:16) which he gives to all the redeemed (cf. 1 Cor 15:53). It is mortality that is inherent, as it was even for Adam and Eve who came to know this personally when they were denied access to the Tree of Life. "This perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality." On that great day, the redeemed will put on immortality. How can anyone suppose we have something now that we don't receive until then? It is especially presumptuous of those who are perishing. I mean, that's why they are described as "perishing," after all: There is no resurrection to life and immortality awaiting them (2 Tim 1:10).


Suppose that it's true and that I get away with mass murder. Then my mental life ends when I die in my sleep. How will that possibility deter me if I'm a licentious sociopath?

Because there is a resurrection unto judgment awaiting all unrepentant sinners (Heb 9:27-28). "It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (10:29-31).

Having said that, I am not an advocate of "fire insurance" evangelism at any rate. I don't believe in scaring people away from hell-bent lives of sin (deter them) but in captivating them with the glory and majesty of God's amazing grace.


In 1991, when I nearly killed myself, I wanted to die because I thought death would end my emotional pain. After all, nonexistent people don't suffer.

I am truly sorry to hear that you experienced such deep anguish. I hope you came to realize, as so many of us have, that only the healing grace of God does that.

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I moved the real meat of our discussion to its own thread (here), as per your request.
 
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