Hey everyone :-)

[YahwehLove]

Its not personal at all.

I agree thats what the bible says. It just too bad those little statements refer to virtually nothing verifiable in the observable world, that God created mind you.

right
That GOD created and then had recorded what He did.
All the TE has is interpretation of evidence that may or may not be right.
God was there, HE knows how He did it.

 

[herev]

you're kidding right?

Good grief you guys are sensetive! I learned long ago from other forums to have a thick skin. When people aren't so touchy about everything it makes for much better discussion because people are free to speak their mind. IMHO

 

[herev]

See, now youre just playing games.

HOWmany times have i said ''sorry if anyone is offended, please bear with me''
I want people to point out when I offend them, but you act like I am the only one doing so.
Someone else jsut did it again in another thread. I wonder how fast youll be on them to be bit more respectful of others?

no games, just as I have already pointed out more than once--If you say sorry I offend, then keep doing it, it doesn't change anything. If I run over someone with my car and say sorry, then keep driving the way I have been, no change
and as I said repeatedly, I do not condone what some of my TE brothers say (some, in fact, I completely ignore until I have to get involved as a moderator--which since that is behind closed doors, you would never know about), but you seem to have no problem taking up for yourself.

 

[versastyle]

I am curious, do you think faith might play a role in this?

Its a big part of it.

Meaning we don't need to have observed creation to verify it, but rather take it as faith as God said in Genesis?

You can do that, but I don't see any reason to conclude that it is a requirement.

Something I find interesting is that so many easily dismiss the fact that Genesis 1-3 is covered in God says "...." Do you think the part that says God says deserves some extra attention and to take God at His Word?

No. That proclaimation doesn't make it more literal history then me saying "God says in the evidence of His creation, that stars are millions of light years away, thus God created a universe which is now very old".

 

[versastyle]

right
That GOD created and then had recorded what He did.
All the TE has is interpretation of evidence that may or may not be right.
God was there, HE knows how He did it.

Which comes down to.....belief that God guided the words of every chapter and verse of the bible, and His intent was that we read this all as literal history.

You can make that leap if you want, however, I prefer.....

I don't know.

 

[herev]

Whats aggrivating is hes singling me out here.
Versytile or whatever has been fairly offensive a few times here and not once have I seen Herev say a word about it.

And I think they are taking that fact that I will NOT back down from the FACT that the bible says 6 days a little too personally.
Makes me wonder why that is, honestly.

you don't have to wonder--I've explained it more than once. I have commented more on your posts because you are posting in a way that calls my beliefs fiction while yours are called fact (see above in your quote in this very post). I'm sorry that you can't see that as offensive--Im even sorrier that you don't care. I have not insulted your beliefs--not once, but I have only asked that you treat them as beliefs so that mine are not considered fiction. They are both beliefs, both opinions, neither fact. All I ask is respect

 

[YahwehLove]

you're kidding right?

honestly, the point is dead on.
I pointed out an issue for you to deal with in the "why does YE try to..."
thread.
Same thing you get on me for.
will you comment when its not a YECer making the insinuations?

 

[herev]

thank you for your stern admonition, MLML, youre right, I should do better as a moderator here. I get frustrated just as others do when my beliefs are called fiction--it is insulting. I have tried to explain, rebut, refute, and evrything else--nothing has worked. I shall now place Yahwehlove on ignore for a time. Hopefully, you will be just as strong in warning him against his insulting comments

I really do wonder what was the point of this post. You add in an apology only to follow it up with a sarcastic insult. Does this fall under the category of love your neighbor as yourself?

The advantage we have in forums is that we can do as Nehemiah did and step back and consult with oneself. Taking time to allow the emotion to subside and respond with love.

As one said, maybe you, an apology that is followed by sarcasm or acts that show no apologetic nature, are worthless.

I'm sorry but I would expect more from a moderator on a Christian forum.

 

[YahwehLove]

no games, just as I have already pointed out more than once--If you say sorry I offend, then keep doing it, it doesn't change anything. If I run over someone with my car and say sorry, then keep driving the way I have been, no change
and as I said repeatedly, I do not condone what some of my TE brothers say (some, in fact, I completely ignore until I have to get involved as a moderator--which since that is behind closed doors, you would never know about), but you seem to have no problem taking up for yourself.

I see.
so you take them aside and talk yet make the issue public with YECers?
And reason for the difference?

And ignoring them, while drawing MAJOR attention to me, makes you look poorly both as a mod and as a brother.
Paul did not tolerate partiality.

 

[versastyle]

I see.
so you take them aside and talk yet make the issue public with YECers?
And reason for the difference?

And ignoring them, while drawing MAJOR attention to me, makes you look poorly both as a mod and as a brother.
Paul did not tolerate partiality.

It is because your posts are directed to him and his beliefs. Think about it.

 

[MLML]

Its a big part of it.

You can do that, but I don't see any reason to conclude that it is a requirement.

Maybe you can explain this more because what I get from what you have said here is faith isn't a requirement for reading Genesis, part of the Bible.

No. That proclaimation doesn't make it more literal history then me saying "God says in the evidence of His creation, that stars are millions of light years away, thus God created a universe which is now very old".

Do you think the proclamation deserves more attention? Do think when the Bible says Jesus said, that we should really be listening? If you do, then why would it be any different when it says God says. Jesus is God after all. You cannot seperate the two.

I couldn't answer the starlight question you have concerning yec, but I can assure you that God's ways are higher then ours and that He knows why He did what He did. We really do have the easiest part, just believe.

Granted you may see believing as reading it as a myth, and I see it as taking it as written. (meaning literally) Either God has allowed one of us to be in error, or God knows one of us isn't ready for the meat. I tend to side with the latter.

 

[versastyle]

Maybe you can explain this more because what I get from what you have said here is faith isn't a requirement for reading Genesis, part of the Bible.

No. Education is a requirement to reading Genesis. Faith is a requirement in what you get out of what you are reading.

Do you think the proclamation deserves more attention? Do think when the Bible says Jesus said, that we should really be listening? If you do, then why would it be any different when it says God says. Jesus is God after all. You cannot seperate the two.

Jesus never said "I created the Earth in six historical days". In fact, we have very little information that He spent any time talking about the creation, if at all.

Jesus was witnessed by those who wrote of Him. Moses (or whoever wrote Genesi) however was not there in the beginning, so I honestly do not feel they were privy to all the information.

I couldn't answer the starlight question you have concerning yec, but I can assure you that God's ways are higher then ours and that He knows why He did what He did. We really do have the easiest part, just believe.

I do. God did it.

God knows one of us isn't ready for the meat.

I would contend that neither of us are ready, and may never be.

 

[YahwehLove]

It is because your posts are directed to him and his beliefs. Think about it.

Show me where I clearly stated that Herev was a weak or faithless Christain.

He assumed that I was making implications, I was not.
You and I have done precisely the same type things the last couple days and yet not one public admonition for you.
Why is that?

 

[versastyle]

Show me where I clearly stated that Herev was a weak or faithless Christain.

It is clear(sound familiar) that you have said God has blessed you in your prayer and proper study that have led you to the spiritual truths and facts of the creation story. This is implying that anyone who disagrees with you isn't blessed as well and they what they believe is mythical or untrue.

Opinions do not equal facts.

I think it might come down to that debating problem you were talking about.

 

[MLML]

Personally, I see Yahwehlove speaking of what he/she believes and applying it himself/herself. (sorry i don't which) I think what many are trying to do is pick out something he/she has said and pick on it. I don't really see the point in this.

It would be much easier to just dismiss whatever you think he/she may have said inbetween the words. Many here rather just assume say you said this, rather then be polite and ask. I made this very same mistake with herev on another thread. What I read I still believe was an attack, but he said it wasn't, so I must believe him, if I am to follow what Christ said. But I would ask that we all try to pick words that are less abrassive and if one finds something to be rude, rather then assume it ask the person if that was meant.

 

[YahwehLove]

It is clear(sound familiar) that you have said God has blessed you in your prayer and proper study that have led you to the spiritual truths and facts of the creation story. This is implying that anyone who disagrees with you isn't blessed as well and they what they believe is mythical or untrue.

Opinions do not equal facts.

I think it might come down to that debating problem you were talking about.

It is also clear that you have implied that I am dogmatic with the words and dont pray.

Shall we continue or just let each other speak?

 

[YahwehLove]

heh.
Ill just settle for some equality here.
If I do it, correct me.
But dont let the guy you agree with get away with it.
It makes one look they are showing unjust partiality.

Personally, I see Yahwehlove speaking of what he/she believes and applying it himself/herself. (sorry i don't which) I think what many are trying to do is pick out something he/she has said and pick on it. I don't really see the point in this.

It would be much easier to just dismiss whatever you think he/she may have said inbetween the words. Many here rather just assume say you said this, rather then be polite and ask. I made this very same mistake with herev on another thread. What I read I still believe was an attack, but he said it wasn't, so I must believe him, if I am to follow what Christ said. But I would ask that we all try to pick words that are less abrassive and if one finds something to be rude, rather then assume it ask the person if that was meant.

 

[versastyle]

It is also clear that you have implied that I am dogmatic with the words and dont pray.

Not trying to be rude, but this made me laugh. I do think you are dogmatic, but the extent of your prayer and the results of it have been your business. Its good that way, and scripturally it is recommend.

I don't remember the exact verse but "pray in private". I don't need to know you pray about your ability to interpret scripture. Thats private and doesn't prove anything about your position.

 

[versastyle]

Just to clarify. Herev doesn't agree with me all the time. I've had quite a few private conversations with him.

 

[MLML]

Trust me, I would say something to you and any other who I would think is not abiding in Christ's commandments. But I, like everyone, am biased. I have concluded to the same truth as you about Genesis. Maybe this makes me read your post differently then one who believes te-ism.

We are creatures of sin. Let us not act on sin, but in love.