Hey everyone :-)

[YahwehLove]

Hey .
Just wanted to apologize now for anyone that gets offended by my very unpolished debating effort.

I dont mean to come off as arrogant or anything at all.
I just need a few more years of training

I love you all, christian or not

 

[Vance]

Thanks!

But, remember, that we ARE all Christians on this forum. Also, maybe if you saw it less as a debate and more as a search for knowledge and understanding of the various types of beliefs on these issues.

Of course, there is a lot of debate as well!

 

[YahwehLove]

Thanks!

But, remember, that we ARE all Christians on this forum. Also, maybe if you saw it less as a debate and more as a search for knowledge and understanding of the various types of beliefs on these issues.

Of course, there is a lot of debate as well!

But, i thought this was a ''debate'' forum?
I present my arguments, you present yours.
I critique your ideas, you do mine as well.

 

[versastyle]

Continuously rehashing and reclarifying verses 1-10 of Genesis, IMO isn't an argument. Heh.

 

[Vance]

Ah, I see it more as a discussion forum, but yes, there is a lot of debate as well.

Really, as to debate, it would be essential to avoid debate fallacies like begging the question, setting up strawmen, etc. Since these are used so often, I am not sure we can call it debate really.

 

[YahwehLove]

Continuously rehashing and reclarifying verses 1-10 of Genesis, IMO isn't an argument. Heh.

excuse me, but is this the ''origins theology'' forum or not?


YEC pretty much revolves around Gen 1 wouldnt you say?

 

[Gold Dragon]

Just wanted to apologize now for anyone that gets offended by my very unpolished debating effort.

I'm a pretty thick skinned TE who hasn't really been following your posts. But the ones I have read have not been offensive at all.

Open and honest dialogue between brothers and sisters who disagree is what we are all about here. Sometimes it gets pretty heated because the issue is dear to people's hearts, but most of us are pretty good about being adults and keeping it out of the realm of personal attack.

 

[YahwehLove]

Ah, I see it more as a discussion forum, but yes, there is a lot of debate as well.

Really, as to debate, it would be essential to avoid debate fallacies like begging the question, setting up strawmen, etc. Since these are used so often, I am not sure we can call it debate really.

feel free to show me where Ive presented a strawman
Id think that your perspective and mine are pretty different on the matter given our opposing views on things in Genesis.

From what ive seen, not much that is said on this forum would classify as a true debate.
Seems that everyone is just offering up their thoughts and everyone else is either trying to tear them down or patting them on the back.

 

[YahwehLove]

I'm a pretty thick skinned TE who hasn't really been following your posts. But the ones I have read have not been offensive at all.

Open and honest dialogue between brothers and sisters who disagree is what we are all about here. Sometimes it gets pretty heated because the issue is dear to people's hearts, but most of us are pretty good about being adults and keeping it out of the realm of personal attack.

I could understand someone taking offense if we were calling each other names.
But is seems like one cant even use the smileys here without someone getting all worked up about it.

I wanted to put this thread up so everyone knows that just becuause a post contains doesnt mean nastiness by default.

sometimes means someone is actually grinnning or smiling at something.

Now if I see then I might get a bit concerned

 

[herev]

YL, in another thread, you said you found it offensive if someone else insinuated that you were unintelligent for being YEC--I agree with you and think anyone who does that is not acting properly. HOwever, I'm dismayed that you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes long enough to see that when you insinuate that others are not as spiritually connected with God's truth (the Gospel according to YL), when they are TE?

 

[YahwehLove]

YL, in another thread, you said you found it offensive if someone else insinuated that you were unintelligent for being YEC--I agree with you and think anyone who does that is not acting properly. HOwever, I'm dismayed that you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes long enough to see that when you insinuate that others are not as spiritually connected with God's truth (the Gospel according to YL), when they are TE?

There is a difference in someone stating that I havent studied outright and my saying that I believe it takes greater faith to go against commonly accepted interpretation of evidence.
And please, I didnt make anywhere near the deal of it that you have of my comments.

 

[Vance]

One question I have is whether you were a TE or an Old Earth Creationist. You keep talking about long ages for YOM, and this fits in with one of the OEC positions and not really the usual TE position.

 

[herev]

ok, I'll leave it alone--it is obvious that you will not come close to acknowledging that you could have erred on anything. YOu have my apologies, feel free to continue with your comments that hurt others, without even seeming to care. Watch that first step. It is a long way down from the pedestal you have yourself on.

There is a difference in someone stating that I havent studied outright and my saying that I believe it takes greater faith to go against commonly accepted interpretation of evidence.
And please, I didnt make anywhere near the deal of it that you have of my comments.

 

[mhess13]

ok, I'll leave it alone--it is obvious that you will not come close to acknowledging that you could have erred on anything. YOu have my apologies, feel free to continue with your comments that hurt others, without even seeming to care. Watch that first step. It is a long way down from the pedestal you have yourself on.

Good grief you guys are sensetive! I learned long ago from other forums to have a thick skin. When people aren't so touchy about everything it makes for much better discussion because people are free to speak their mind. IMHO

 

[YahwehLove]

ok, I'll leave it alone--it is obvious that you will not come close to acknowledging that you could have erred on anything. YOu have my apologies, feel free to continue with your comments that hurt others, without even seeming to care. Watch that first step. It is a long way down from the pedestal you have yourself on.

See, now youre just playing games.

HOWmany times have i said ''sorry if anyone is offended, please bear with me''
I want people to point out when I offend them, but you act like I am the only one doing so.
Someone else jsut did it again in another thread. I wonder how fast youll be on them to be bit more respectful of others?

 

[YahwehLove]

Good grief you guys are sensetive! I learned long ago from other forums to have a thick skin. When people aren't so touchy about everything it makes for much better discussion because people are free to speak their mind. IMHO

Whats aggrivating is hes singling me out here.
Versytile or whatever has been fairly offensive a few times here and not once have I seen Herev say a word about it.

And I think they are taking that fact that I will NOT back down from the FACT that the bible says 6 days a little too personally.
Makes me wonder why that is, honestly.

 

[versastyle]

And I think they are taking that fact that I will NOT back down from the FACT that the bible says 6 days a little too personally..

Its not personal at all.

I agree thats what the bible says. It just too bad those little statements refer to virtually nothing verifiable in the observable world, that God created mind you.

 

[MLML]

ok, I'll leave it alone--it is obvious that you will not come close to acknowledging that you could have erred on anything. YOu have my apologies, feel free to continue with your comments that hurt others, without even seeming to care. Watch that first step. It is a long way down from the pedestal you have yourself on.

I really do wonder what was the point of this post. You add in an apology only to follow it up with a sarcastic insult. Does this fall under the category of love your neighbor as yourself?

The advantage we have in forums is that we can do as Nehemiah did and step back and consult with oneself. Taking time to allow the emotion to subside and respond with love.

As one said, maybe you, an apology that is followed by sarcasm or acts that show no apologetic nature, are worthless.

I'm sorry but I would expect more from a moderator on a Christian forum.

 

[mhess13]

I really do wonder what was the point of this post. You add in an apology only to follow it up with a sarcastic insult. Does this fall under the category of love your neighbor as yourself?

The advantage we have in forums is that we can do as Nehemiah did and step back and consult with oneself. Taking time to allow the emotion to subside and respond with love.

As one said, maybe you, an apology that is followed by sarcasm or acts that show no apologetic nature, are worthless.

I'm sorry but I would expect more from a moderator on a Christian forum.

 

[MLML]

Its not personal at all.

I agree thats what the bible says. It just too bad those little statements refer to virtually nothing verifiable in the observable world, that God created mind you.

I am curious, do you think faith might play a role in this? Meaning we don't need to have observed creation to verify it, but rather take it as faith as God said in Genesis?

Something I find interesting is that so many easily dismiss the fact that Genesis 1-3 is covered in God says "...." Do you think the part that says God says deserves some extra attention and to take God at His Word, as Yahwehlove pointed out?