Hermaphrodites

[Angel4Truth]

If God exists and designed an individual with both a penis and a vagina, it seems reasonable to assume that He intends for the individual to use both organs - otherwise, why design them?

Unless, of course, he didn't design the individual this way, which opens up a can of worms.

Adam and Eve would be who to look at for how the human race was designed. God doesnt redesign each individual person that happens through procreation .

Surely you dont need a biology lesson ?

Why would a can of worms be opened because of a birth defect? There would be no birth defects , death , disease , etc.. if there was no sin in the world . Simple.

 

[kopilo]

There would be no birth defects , death , disease , etc.. if there was no sin in the world . Simple.

errr... birth defects can be caused by drinking alcohol in moderation, last time I checked drinking alcohol in moderation didn't seem to be a sin.. well unless I need another bible lesson.

 

[Angel4Truth]

errr... birth defects can be caused by drinking alcohol in moderation, last time I checked drinking alcohol in moderation didn't seem to be a sin.. well unless I need another bible lesson.

sin in the world , personal sin are two different things , please post where i said birth defects were a direct result of the sin of the person who was pregnant . Hint: i didnt say that . i said sin in the world is what causes all disease , illness , death .

Sin causes genetic defects way down the line , death is the result of sin , sickness is the result of sin .

If no sin had ever entered the world , all of those things would be a non issue . Not clear what was not understood about my post and how you came to your conclusion from the statement of sin being in the world .

 

[kopilo]

sin in the world , personal sin are two different things , please post where i said birth defects were a direct result of the sin of the person who was pregnant . Hint: i didnt say that . i said sin in the world is what causes all disease , illness , death .

Sin causes genetic defects way down the line , death is the result of sin , sickness is the result of sin .

If no sin had ever entered the world , all of those things would be a non issue . Not clear what was not understood about my post and how you came to your conclusion from the statement of sin being in the world .

that's mighty confusing.. when someone says sin, I automatically think religiously, see here for meaning of sin by wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin

Anyway so I am guessing you are claiming that if there was no sin what so ever, then moderate drinking of alcohol would not cause birth defects?

I'm guessing you mean when it was A&E there were no birth defects etc.

 

[Angel4Truth]

If there was no sin whatever , there would be no sickness , death , birth defects , unclear how you are still missing this .

Sin is better defined by the bible , not wikipedia , where anyone can write their own definition and was recently on national news for having lying definitions , so i wouldnt consider it much of a source.

Sin is a trangression of Gods laws , which are given for the knowledge of sin. If there was never any disobedience to God , there would be no sin , no effects of sin , which is death , disease , etc..

 

[kopilo]

If there was no sin whatever , there would be no sickness , death , birth defects , unclear how you are still missing this .

Ok this is going to be confusing but now I am missing how you are missing that I see your POV.

Sin is better defined by the bible , not wikipedia , where anyone can write their own definition and was recently on national news for having lying definitions , so i wouldnt consider it much of a source.

I know how wikipedia and wikinews operates I have written articals for them myself from time to time, talked with some of the main editors etc, just because something has been on the news or is free for anyone to edit doesn't mean it currently doesn't have checking controls.. for goodness sake someone changed all the articals on wikinews to repeat p**** over and over when it first started up.

Sin is a trangression of Gods laws , which are given for the knowledge of sin. If there was never any disobedience to God , there would be no sin , no effects of sin , which is death , disease , etc..

exactly.

 

[fregas]

No , not anymore than not being born with a functioning womb makes a woman any less than a woman . Something not operating as it was designed , doesnt detract from the purpose of the design .

By your reasoning , should we assume that because some people are born without legs , that legs were not really designed for walking ?

Birth defects dont imply morality or lack of in the individual in question. They are simply birth defects , trying to use a birth defect to allow for a moral issue is reprehensible if you ask me and nothing more than a desperation tactic.

Please provide substantiation that hermaphrodites are bisexual by birth . This is like calling a woman without a correctly functioning womb gay because of a birth defect .

Maybe you are saying being gay is a birth defect?

What I'm saying is, who is to decide which gender that person is supposed to lean towards, if they have both organs? There have been cases where hermaphrodites were raised female, consider themselves female, have had their male organs removed shortly after birth, but are genetically male. IF such a person is married to a man, are they guilty of "the sin of homsexuality", especially if they find out later they are really a guy.

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly in the previous post, but that is no reason to get nasty. What I'm implying is that if nature can mix up organs in such a way (since by your other post you say that god doesn't design each individual) isn't it at least possible that sexual preference is "mixed up" in a similar way, by birth, thru the person inheriting a mixture of genetic traits that makes them physically male, but sexually attracted to other men like a woman? Whether you would call gayness a birth defect or not is another issue. But the existence of hermaphrodites seems to suggest that masculinity and feminimity, sexual desires for one gender or another (or both) is not entirely black and white. Note that this doesn't say that such sexuality is right or wrong, but that humans are born with a huge variety of sexual desires already built in, and these desires don't necessarily fall into neat categories of straight or gay.