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I don't understand why the SDA will try to prove that Jesus is just another prophet with Heb 1.
If you can attack Ellen White, then I can attack you. Only thing is you'll run to the moderations crying....So why not play nice?
The SDAs DO believe in the Trinity, but that still doesnt make there other teachings suddenly OK.
The SDAs DO believe in the Trinity, but that still doesnt make there other teachings suddenly OK.
I believe it was you that brought up EGW, not me. I addressed the nature of Jesus and not EGW. Now since you brought up the idea I want to see a verse in support. I can provide one for my position and don't believe you can for yours.If you can attack Ellen White, then I can attack you. Only thing is you'll run to the moderations crying....So why not play nice?
You have body and soul mixed up. The body isn't redeemed. The soul is redeemed and what Jesus lives in in the Christian. Yes the soul lives in a body currently. They part company at the demise of the flesh.If Christ as God did not assume your life indwelt with sin then how could you have died with Him 2000 years ago?
Is the old self the body of flesh? No!Keep in mind the following:
"our old self was crucified with him" Rom 6:6
Did my body die? No! My old nature (soul) did and was reborn not by the flesh as Jesus communicated to Nicodemus."you also died to the law through the body of Christ" Rom 7:4
No I'm not indwelt by iniquity any more. I'm indwelt by the Holy Spirit and choose to follow Him (most of the time).If you died in Christ then Christ had to assume you. You are indwelt by iniquity and if Christ as God clothed himself with your humanity that humanity had to be indwelt by sin. It was YOUR sin, not His, that Christ assumed. He assumed you to redeem you.
Hence the doctrine of devils...that is, the heresy that the body is evil and the soul holy. That's legalistic nonsense. That damnable doctrine undermines the gospel and the sinners total need of Christ.
You see if something in you is holy and immortal that part of you does not need Christ. This heresy you present is what Paul termed "another gospel". And he said that anyone who taught it should be accursed.
Gal 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/1.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-12Him who called you http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/1.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-cby the grace of Christ, for a http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/1.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-13different gospel ; 7 which is really not another ; only there are some who are http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/1.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-14disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/1.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-15an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/1.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-dcontrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/1.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-ehttp://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/1.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-16accursed
Maybe you should read Heb 11 sometime.I said you are righteous by faith, not in reality. Otherwise you are stating (which is a lie) that you are actually righteous. John says one is delusional that claims to be without sin.
Your righteousness is in Christ, not in you for you are not righteous. You are accounted righteous by faith. In yourself you are a vile sinner....Who are you kidding????
Its been proven that Ellen G White is a false Prophetess which makes the SDA Chuch false since they follow her teachings.
Methodists don't agree with Baptists on everything. This is not news.
in Christ,
Bob
Maybe you should read Heb 11 sometime.
Hmmm! In my copy the SDA organization is in the cult section of Walter Martins book - Kingdom of the Cults
Yes I can read very well. What is posted here in CF doesn't line up with those statements at all. No I'm not stating something that isn't true and no I'm not going to spend the time (which I don't have at the moment but if you want to push it I will quit posting till I've built a quote file to quote every time) it could take months. I'll dribble them till I've got a large file) digging up the dirt. If any one wants to call me a liar let them. The SDA live in denial."One God in THREE persons blessed Trinity" -- The Triune Godhead.
Fundamental Belief #2
There is one GodFather, Son and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. He is forever worthy of worship, adoration and service by all of creation. (Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Tim. 1:17; Rev. 14:7.)
Fundamental Belief #4 God the Son.
God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly man, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God. By His miracles He manifested God's power and was attested as God's promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to minister in the heavenly sanctuary in our behalf. He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things. (John 1:1-3, 14; Col. 1:15-19; John 10:30; 14:9; Rom. 6:23; 2 Cor. 5:17-19; John 5:22; Luke 1:35; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 2:9-18; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; Heb. 8:1, 2; John 14:1-3.)
The Seventh Day Adventists teach that Jesus and Michael the Archangel are one and the same. However, some people mistakenly think that the SDA are teaching that Jesus is a created angel, and therefore not truly divine. But that is not the Seventh-day Adventist position. Instead, they are saying that the Old Testament manifestation of Michael the Archangel was actually the pre-incarnate Christ and that he is not created. .
Yes I can read very well. What is posted here in CF doesn't line up with those statements at all. .
Wild assumptions? Really? Why do you invite attack on your prophetess? Facts about her have been posted proving she is a false prophet. Why do we have to continue on this merry-go-round? Why must everything be posted, posted and reposted, reposted, reposted, reposted and reposted? Why isn't once enough for you people? Nothing has ever been refuted by you folks with any facts. We can even quote your archives to no avail. Like I said you live in denial. I've read the forum for more than 10 years and posted for more than 3.Here again your wild assumptions do not meet the facts.
1. There is not a single belief in that list of 28 that relies on a proof/statement by Ellen White -- they all stand or fall "sola scriptura".
2. Anyone who takes the time to do that analysis and accept those Bible doctrines can then see if Ellen White meets the doctrinal test that was established to test the 28 beliefs - testing them without using a single word of her writing.
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in Christ,
Bob
setyoufree said:If you died in Christ then Christ had to assume you. You are indwelt by iniquity and if Christ as God clothed himself with your humanity that humanity had to be indwelt by sin. It was YOUR sin, not His, that Christ assumed. He assumed you to redeem you.
No I'm not indwelt by iniquity any more.
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