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Here it is: The Mueller report is out.
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<blockquote data-quote="whatbogsends" data-source="post: 73868844" data-attributes="member: 11978"><p>People were rightly questioning Barr's interpretation of the report, and from the looks of it, that questioning was well founded.</p><p></p><p>What they will do is show that while Trump was not part of a criminal conspiracy with Russia, Trump and his campaign officials did, indeed, lie with fervor about their relationship with Russia and had some ethically questionable activity.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, with regards to collusion, Trump's false claim of "total exoneration" has been shown for what it is.</p><p></p><p>Those who have supported Trump through this won't be swayed by the contents of this report. It's been obvious for a long time who Trump is, and this report doesn't actually change that, it just reinforces what we've all known. I still can't tell if people support Trump in spite of or because of who he is, but they have shown, time and again, that there is no bar so low that they will cease their support.</p><p></p><p>Those who have been against Trump through this won't be swayed by the contents of this report. While it doesn't charge Trump with criminal conspiracy, it does highlight plenty of questionable behavior with Russia (much of which we already knew about). Moreover, it shows plenty of questionable and clearly unethical behavior with regard to obstruction and the rule of law. It lends support to those who questioned Trump in those regards.</p><p></p><p>It may be enough for house Democrats to push for impeachment proceedings, but I don't think there's any chance the Senate pushes him out the door, regardless of what the house does. Trump will be the Republican candidate in 2020.</p><p></p><p>Whether the Dems have a chance against him in 2020 will be dependent on who they select to represent them. I don't think Bernie or Biden have much of a chance against Trump. They desperately need fresh blood.</p><p></p><p>I remain concerned about Trump's willing to cede the office gracefully if he does lose in 2020. His "2nd Amendment solutions" remarks in 2016 and his "police, military and bikers getting tough" remarks more recently are just some of those which hint at his being unwilling to accept election results that don't go his way. I would expect Trump's rhetoric in that regard to increase as we get closer to the actual election.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="whatbogsends, post: 73868844, member: 11978"] People were rightly questioning Barr's interpretation of the report, and from the looks of it, that questioning was well founded. What they will do is show that while Trump was not part of a criminal conspiracy with Russia, Trump and his campaign officials did, indeed, lie with fervor about their relationship with Russia and had some ethically questionable activity. Moreover, with regards to collusion, Trump's false claim of "total exoneration" has been shown for what it is. Those who have supported Trump through this won't be swayed by the contents of this report. It's been obvious for a long time who Trump is, and this report doesn't actually change that, it just reinforces what we've all known. I still can't tell if people support Trump in spite of or because of who he is, but they have shown, time and again, that there is no bar so low that they will cease their support. Those who have been against Trump through this won't be swayed by the contents of this report. While it doesn't charge Trump with criminal conspiracy, it does highlight plenty of questionable behavior with Russia (much of which we already knew about). Moreover, it shows plenty of questionable and clearly unethical behavior with regard to obstruction and the rule of law. It lends support to those who questioned Trump in those regards. It may be enough for house Democrats to push for impeachment proceedings, but I don't think there's any chance the Senate pushes him out the door, regardless of what the house does. Trump will be the Republican candidate in 2020. Whether the Dems have a chance against him in 2020 will be dependent on who they select to represent them. I don't think Bernie or Biden have much of a chance against Trump. They desperately need fresh blood. I remain concerned about Trump's willing to cede the office gracefully if he does lose in 2020. His "2nd Amendment solutions" remarks in 2016 and his "police, military and bikers getting tough" remarks more recently are just some of those which hint at his being unwilling to accept election results that don't go his way. I would expect Trump's rhetoric in that regard to increase as we get closer to the actual election. [/QUOTE]
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