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This is my first post to any website anywhere, but I'm really struggling right now and could use some advice/guidance/prayers and found this site.

Here's my story.

I have been with my current girlfriend for almost 2 1/2 years. We have known each other since we were kids and both grew up in Christian homes. We had crushes on each other as teenagers but never dated. We got together when we were both 28 years old. We lived in different states so we did the long distance thing for 2 years and now I recently moved to her state - did not move in together. While being long distance things were pretty good. We would see each other every 3-4 weeks and spend the weekend together. It was like a vacation. There was always one topic that we seemed to avoid though and that was sex.

We had a very physical relationship, but stopped short of "sex" in a literal sense - but many would call what we did sex anyways. We slept in the same bed, since, well, we were staying at each other's places anyways. I have crossed some boundaries with her that I hadn't crossed in the past. I had the sense she had crossed them before and recently my suspicions were confirmed.

We had a discussion and I finally asked her point blank about her sexual past. While tame by society standards, it was significantly more "experienced" than mine. She has had sex with a few people and been intimate, many would call this sex too, with several more. Like I said, I made it to 28 without crossing many of these lines, she made it to 18.

I am having a really, really hard time with this. I became physically ill when I heard these things. I knew our college years were quite different, and she has always been a flirt, but I guess I wanted to think she had held up under pressure the same way I had. I am a virgin even at age 30 now and was waiting til marriage. She was not. In fact I'm her first christian boyfriend.

The relationship almost ended that night, I sent her a nasty email including things about other aspects of the relationship, and it was pretty much over, but in the end I do love her and she loves me, so we have been putting things back together, but still haven't returned to the topic that started it all.

I realize that I need to talk to her about this further and that I should forgive her and that her past does not predict the future or even what she believes now, but it is just killing me. I can't get the thoughts out of my head. I even went to see a counselor and I'm hoping he can help. I think this is likely a common problem, but when you combine the male insecurity with the major question of shared values, it makes it doubly hard to deal with. I have been praying constantly that God would give me clarity on this and that he would let me forgive her, but it is tough.

If anybody has been in a similar situation or could provide some insight it would be appreciated. I would think this may be a common situation that christians find themselves in -i.e. differing sexual histories. She is a Christian and does love God. I know we need to talk more, but it really is going to come down to if I can get past this. Thanks.
 

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First of all, for future reference in case this relationship doesn't work out -- you can't just avoid the topic of sex in a relationship. Especially not for almost three years! The point of a Christian relationship is to see if you're compatible for marriage, right? Well sex is a BIG part of marriage. You have to discuss it. When we were dating, my husband and I talked extensively about sex and disclosed our pasts, our boundaries, and our expectations for marriage. Neither of us were virgins due to past mistakes with different people, but in our relationship, we wanted to wait for marriage like God wanted us to, so we did wait. I can tell you that the past does not matter. She's not going to be thinking about anyone but you on your wedding night if you get married. Mistakes you make when you're a hormonal teenager/college student with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex don't compare to deciding to spend the rest of your life with someone.

Have you spent all of your 30 years not looking at porn or masturbating? Kudos to you if you have, but the likely answer is that you're like most guys and haven't managed to not do those things. Just some food for thought. She may not have been able to deal with the temptation of sex while you have been successful in that area, but there are certainly areas where you yourself have been weak (maybe not sexual areas but something else -- we are ALL in bondage to sin). For you to not look past her past and forgive her is unfair. Sending her a nasty email was not a Christian way to respond at all.

The important question is whether she is willing to abstain from sex now?
 
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Insecurity's a bear to deal with - keep seeing the counselor, if you can, and take her with you. A lot of times they know how to frame difficult subjects in a way that makes the answers fall into place.

If this woman is devoted to you, loyal, and trustworthy, then you shouldn't let this come between you two. If it does, it will be because of your own emotional baggage, and not anything that she did. It's important to realize this fact, because it prevents you from taking an accusatory stance that is unwarranted. She has been open, honest, and accepts you as the person you are.

Perhaps you won't be able to accept this revelation about her, and you two need to discuss that possibility - but if so, it will be because of your hangups, not hers.

Good luck.
 
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Everybody has a past of some kind or another. I had a past of bad girlfriends before my present girlfriend and she had no past to speak of. To put it simply I was more experienced than her, yet we both still remain virgins.

It happens. No one is perfect. Sure, she's made her bad decisions, but I'm sure you have as well. What matters now is that she is only with you and that you can accept each other for your faults and so forth.

I must echo Melissa1208's post here:
The important question is whether she is willing to abstain from sex now?
 
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This is my first post to any website anywhere, but I'm really struggling right now and could use some advice/guidance/prayers and found this site.

Here's my story.

I have been with my current girlfriend for almost 2 1/2 years. We have known each other since we were kids and both grew up in Christian homes. We had crushes on each other as teenagers but never dated. We got together when we were both 28 years old. We lived in different states so we did the long distance thing for 2 years and now I recently moved to her state - did not move in together. While being long distance things were pretty good. We would see each other every 3-4 weeks and spend the weekend together. It was like a vacation. There was always one topic that we seemed to avoid though and that was sex.

We had a very physical relationship, but stopped short of "sex" in a literal sense - but many would call what we did sex anyways. We slept in the same bed, since, well, we were staying at each other's places anyways. I have crossed some boundaries with her that I hadn't crossed in the past. I had the sense she had crossed them before and recently my suspicions were confirmed.

We had a discussion and I finally asked her point blank about her sexual past. While tame by society standards, it was significantly more "experienced" than mine. She has had sex with a few people and been intimate, many would call this sex too, with several more. Like I said, I made it to 28 without crossing many of these lines, she made it to 18.

I am having a really, really hard time with this. I became physically ill when I heard these things. I knew our college years were quite different, and she has always been a flirt, but I guess I wanted to think she had held up under pressure the same way I had. I am a virgin even at age 30 now and was waiting til marriage. She was not. In fact I'm her first christian boyfriend.

The relationship almost ended that night, I sent her a nasty email including things about other aspects of the relationship, and it was pretty much over, but in the end I do love her and she loves me, so we have been putting things back together, but still haven't returned to the topic that started it all.

I realize that I need to talk to her about this further and that I should forgive her and that her past does not predict the future or even what she believes now, but it is just killing me. I can't get the thoughts out of my head. I even went to see a counselor and I'm hoping he can help. I think this is likely a common problem, but when you combine the male insecurity with the major question of shared values, it makes it doubly hard to deal with. I have been praying constantly that God would give me clarity on this and that he would let me forgive her, but it is tough.

If anybody has been in a similar situation or could provide some insight it would be appreciated. I would think this may be a common situation that christians find themselves in -i.e. differing sexual histories. She is a Christian and does love God. I know we need to talk more, but it really is going to come down to if I can get past this. Thanks.


Buddy, you are not going to find many (if any) 28-30 year old, eligible bachelorettes who have no sexual experience whatsoever. And like Melissa said, have you looked at porn and masturbated? Ever? If yes, that makes you just as guilty. You aren't perfect. And considering how quickly you abandoned your principles to be "very physical" with her, I don't think you really were that serious about abstaining to begin with

What REALLY irritates me is that you sent a "nasty email" to her because of her past. Is that loving as God has commanded us to love? Is that what Christ would do? Is that the example of Christian love that you want to show off? Does God punish people for their past or "have to see a counselor to get over it"? Hey buddy, you're not better than God, and you're not allowed to have higher standards than God.

My advice? Swallow your pride, put your big boy panties on, apologize profusely (and I'm talking beg on your KNEES with 24 roses in hand, buddy) for her for that nasty email, finish your counseling, put your big boy boxers on, and accept that God has forgiven her, and that you have nothing to "forgive" her for because she didn't sin against you when she did what she did in the past.
 
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This is a problem others have, Dude. Both guys and gals. So your not alone.

I think its good that your seeking God on how to deal with it. I agree with Phantom you got to see what you wrote her as hurting her as much as you feel hurt. Its the old kick a Christian bro/sis in the kidneys while they are down thing. How low is that!

If God can forgive you and God has forgive her then who are you to not forgive as Jesus forgives. I don't say that to kick you, I say that so that you can see God's grace is already there. God has forgiven you and her ... so not let God's grace run free in your heart and forgiveness will flow. Once forgiveness is there all your love for her will be there as before.

Another thought just ran thru my head .. are you prideful because you didn't have sex when almost every other Christian has? Is pride a sin?

I've sinned as bad as both of you together have sinned. So I got no high platform to stand on and tell you how its done.

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What REALLY irritates me is that you sent a "nasty email" to her because of her past. Is that loving as God has commanded us to love? Is that what Christ would do? Is that the example of Christian love that you want to show off? Does God punish people for their past or "have to see a counselor to get over it"? Hey buddy, you're not better than God, and you're not allowed to have higher standards than God.
I agree completely with this.

She doesn't need your forgiveness and you had no right to get angry. It was before you were even a romantic part of her life and obviously, she's not the same person she was considering she's not even brought up the subject of sex in the time you were together. For you to get so angry about something that happened before you two were together shows a complete lack of maturity and I wouldn't blame her if she tells you to bugger off.
 
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"I realize that I need to talk to her about this further and that I should forgive her "

Wo, wo, hold on there partner! She doesn't need your forgiveness because you didn't own her nor did she sin against you. You had no right to her fidelity at the time.

Her past behavior may affect her future, it may not. She may have gotten involved simply because her nature is more warm, friendly, outgoing thus she had more opportunities.

IMO, I disagree with some posts--I DON'T think it's a good idea to delve into sexual histories. For what? How is that edifying or able to draw you closer in your relationship? Things that can never be changed and can only hurt. Now you are burdened with images in your mind that can't be erased. Either you will have to see her sins against GOD as covered with His blood (as your sins are) and accept her or let her go.
 
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You have absolutely no right to look down on her for participating in behavior that you yourself have enjoyed with her. The men she was with in the past were probably a lot like you in this respect--willing and urging to 'go there' but expecting her to have resisted all but him, because he's somehow different than all those other guys. You are not a special and unique snowflake. You are another man having sex with her while expecting her to not have had sex. Congratulations--you, and men behaving like you, are the reason she has a list of multiple partners. And now you've started a list of your own. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you aren't now comparing your lists and acting like you deserve a girl with a shorter one, even though you're partly to blame for the length of hers. Oops..

You are the one who needs to be forgiven here, by her. You're acting like an entitled donkey's [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
 
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As it said:don`t judge ..means for every body... us judging you, you judging her, who knows... she judging mans.
Disappointment and hurt can make go through rough times... i understand the feeling and pain can even make, do and say things for which we can repaint ..
Maybe the same minute after we did.
But here is the gift.. we can repent. I am not telling you what you should do, while reading your post i was reminded of the people in the bible and their stories.. and how God reacted to them... with love , a great love that is slow in getting angry and infinite in mercy.
In every thing you have said or done you have reacted like all us humans,
thats good you are still one (joke)
Maybe if you will have some time with God he will come and clear the skye and calm the tempests in your soul.
At least for me this always happens ( not for one day or some days ,sometimes i need a looooootttt more time that others)
What to do? I personally believe that you should take that decision, and you can ,and you have :)
I am sorry if we have been harsh. Because we too are learning to love, as we see God and Jesus every day acting with love toward us. i am really sorry, i hope may God have granted the peace and serenity to feel truly free and confident in life, wisdom to know the paths of God and to have the strength to do and live what is right, this is a wish for every body, me included.
Hope you life is much better know.
I think, with your silent consensus...;) i will pray for you today :)
 
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We are all sinners. If you believe and trust she committed these indiscretions, confessed them to God, repented, and has grown from this you will be better for it. You are marrying this young lady for whom she is, not her virginity. In fact the fact that she has come to the lord later in life, against the odds, and has not had sex with you, shows she has made changes.

I pray you are not hung up on marrying a virgin. If you are, you are NOT readyfor marraige.
 
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I know what you mean...I had the same issue... you know what I did? I said to my girl the following: I don't need to knwo about your ex( even if I am ask about it) and the only thing I need to know is that I am better than them( in all ways!!!) and that must be the truth,only then I can be your "the one". That actually helped, something all thoughts come back, but that is impossible to get rid of... You can't break up with her beacuse of that...
 
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I know what you mean...I had the same issue... you know what I did? I said to my girl the following: I don't need to knwo about your ex( even if I am ask about it) and the only thing I need to know is that I am better than them( in all ways!!!) and that must be the truth,only then I can be your "the one". That actually helped, something all thoughts come back, but that is impossible to get rid of... You can't break up with her beacuse of that...

You have to be better than your girlfriend's exes in every single way? :confused:

Good luck with that.
 
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You have to be better than your girlfriend's exes in every single way? :confused:

Good luck with that.

Of course, how come you are going to be the one...or is that just a word??? I don't agree...if she is going to spend the rest of her life with you...you got be special to her...
 
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Of course, how come you are going to be the one...or is that just a word??? I don't agree...if she is going to spend the rest of her life with you...you got be special to her...
Special, yes; but that doesn't mean you have to be better than them in every way. Actually you don't have to be better in any spacific way, as long as you are better for her.
What if one of her prior bf had a better job/education, or was physically fitter than you? Does that make you less "the one"?

I can believe that being told you are better than all the other is any imaginable way is good for your self image, but if your gf is telling you that, she is ultimately lying to you.
 
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Special, yes; but that doesn't mean you have to be better than them in every way. Actually you don't have to be better in any spacific way, as long as you are better for her.
What if one of her prior bf had a better job/education, or was physically fitter than you? Does that make you less "the one"?

I can believe that being told you are better than all the other is any imaginable way is good for your self image, but if your gf is telling you that, she is ultimately lying to you.

^This.
 
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YOU is the subject here.Chances come to all men like the bible says and you made certain choices in life because you wanted to save yourself.You have certain desires (getting a virgin) and the bible says the desire of the righteous shall be granted (Pr 10:24).God does grant us our desires (Ps 37:4) and Jesus reiterated the same thing when he said whatever YOU desire when you pray believe YOU recieve it and you shall have whatever you say.Basically God answers prayer.It is either God's word is true or it is false.If God said it then he meant what he said.Nothing wrong in you wanting fallow ground where no man has ploughed before even Jesus wanted a donkey that no man had ever mounted.

Of course you can not judge that sister who has seen many men in her short life.Jesus did not judge the woman who was even caught in the act of adultery,he said neither do I condemn you so you can not condemn her.The fact that you can not judge her does not mean she has to be your wife.If you are not comfortable with her past then move on.When Elijah was discouraged thinking everyone was serving Baal,God said to him 'I still have 7000 people who have not bowed their knees to Baal'.There are still virgins out there whom God has preserved and you can get one if YOU want.

If I were you I would spent my time alone with the Lord until the flesh was silent.Seek his direction,he has good thoughts for you and you will know which way to go.Your woman could possibly end up being such a great blessing despite her colorful past or God could open new doors.Whichever way you win but seek the Lord first.
 
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Buddy, you are not going to find many (if any) 28-30 year old, eligible bachelorettes who have no sexual experience whatsoever. And like Melissa said, have you looked at porn and masturbated? Ever? If yes, that makes you just as guilty. You aren't perfect. And considering how quickly you abandoned your principles to be "very physical" with her, I don't think you really were that serious about abstaining to begin with

What REALLY irritates me is that you sent a "nasty email" to her because of her past. Is that loving as God has commanded us to love? Is that what Christ would do? Is that the example of Christian love that you want to show off? Does God punish people for their past or "have to see a counselor to get over it"? Hey buddy, you're not better than God, and you're not allowed to have higher standards than God.

My advice? Swallow your pride, put your big boy panties on, apologize profusely (and I'm talking beg on your KNEES with 24 roses in hand, buddy) for her for that nasty email, finish your counseling, put your big boy boxers on, and accept that God has forgiven her, and that you have nothing to "forgive" her for because she didn't sin against you when she did what she did in the past.
i'd like to support this post. It is so easy to use our own pain to judge someone else, when in reality, there is an issue here that belongs to you personally, and that is your reaction. We are only responsible for our own responses, if i were you, i would be asking "what do I need to be looking at within myself in the light of God?"
 
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