Helsinki

[Meowzltov]

I'm just wondering if you Trumpsters still support the President even in his shameful statements he made in his joint press conference with Putin.

For those of you catching up with the news, Trump is denying that Russia interfered with the last election, and actually disparaged the US intelligence agencies, saying that Moscow was a more reliable source of information.

Not only has American Intelligence determined that Russian hacking did occur, it has indicted Russian nationals for the hacking.

President Trump met with Putin for two hours, and simply decided he believed him more, saying (paraphrasing), Putin says it never happened and there really is no reason for Russia to do such a thing.

Trump is being skewered by his own party for his own statements. Even Fox News is giving him negative coverage.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has criticized the president's posture toward Russia in the past, called it "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory."

Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Trump confidant, called the president's comments "the most serious mistake of his presidency."

Retiring Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a frequent critic of the president, said Trump was wrong to hold the U.S. partly responsible for the deterioration of the relationship between the two countries. "I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful," Flake said.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., who rarely criticizes Trump publicly, contradicted Trump's equivocations about Moscow's election meddling and said "the president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally...There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world," Ryan said in a statement.

Republican Sen. Bob Corker, chairman of Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he didn't think it was "a good moment for our country. "Actually, sometimes the president cares more about how a leader treats him personally than forcefully getting out there and pushing against things that we know have harmed our nation, and I thought that's what we all experienced today," Corker said.

Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, pushed back against Putin’s assurance at the Helsinki summit that his country did not meddle in the election, calling it "a lie" and adding that it should be recognized as one by the president. "Vladimir Putin is not our friend and never has been. Nor does he want to be our friend. His regime’s actions prove it. We must make clear that the United States will not tolerate hostile Russian activities against us or our allies," Burr said in a statement.

Mitt Romney, the former Republican presidential candidate now running for U.S. Senate in Utah, called Trump's "decision to side with Putin" over the conclusions of American intelligence agencies "disgraceful and detrimental to our democratic principles."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...kers-pundits-react-trump-s-joint-news-n891736

 

[Go Braves]

I think this sums it up: https://twitter.com/Ali_H_Soufan/status/1019003359880204288

 

[Saucy]

Yes still with him. He didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Go Braves]

This is the cover of a major newspaper in Finland:

 

[chinese buffet]

central banks are the evil not the land or people of Russia

 

[Go Braves]

Yes still with him. He didn't do anything wrong.

I'm proud of the decent Republicans who've stood up to Trump on account of how he did our country wrong.

 

[Saucy]

What did you want to happen? Did you want Trump to go all the way to Helsinki just so they could toss insults at each other? If Trump did that, he would be accused of being unhinged and giving Russia and Putin a PR victory. Trump haters and the left keep saying that "Trump is going to get us into nuclear war! He can't control himself!" then expect him to trash Putin to his face?

I know I'm going to get accused of whataboutism, but this whole thing has nothing to do with Trump. It was Obama's fault. Obama took Russia lightly, even laughing off the idea that Russia would even attempt to get involved in our elections TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION when he knew what was going on. When he thought Hillary was winning, he didn't sound the alarm. He told his tech team to 'stand down'! Yes, Obama let the Russians hack us.

This was on Obama's watch, not Trump's. Are the Russian diplomats still expelled? Yes. Are the sanctions on Russia still in place? Check. Obama already told him to 'stop it'. So, what more did you expect? As Trump said, this was about peace. They talked in length about the Russia hacking and moved on to more important subjects.

Peace trumps war.

 

[Steve Petersen]

This is probably more appropriate in the American Politics forum.

 

[Meowzltov]

I think this sums it up: https://twitter.com/Ali_H_Soufan/status/1019003359880204288

I'm afraid you are right.

 

[Go Braves]

What did you want to happen? Did you want Trump to go all the way to Helsinki just so they could toss insults at each other? If Trump did that, he would be accused of being unhinged and giving Russia and Putin a PR victory. Trump haters and the left keep saying that "Trump is going to get us into nuclear war! He can't control himself!" then expect him to trash Putin to his face?

I know I'm going to get accused of whataboutism, but this whole thing has nothing to do with Trump. It was Obama's fault. Obama took Russia lightly, even laughing off the idea that Russia would even attempt to get involved in our elections TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION when he knew what was going on. When he thought Hillary was winning, he didn't sound the alarm. He told his tech team to 'stand down'! Yes, Obama let the Russians hack us.

This was on Obama's watch, not Trump's. Are the Russian diplomats still expelled? Yes. Are the sanctions on Russia still in place? Check. Obama already told him to 'stop it'. So, what more did you expect? As Trump said, this was about peace. They talked in length about the Russia hacking and moved on to more important subjects.

Peace trumps war.

Well, not betray our country for starters. Trump made the choice to meet with Putin. It was a head up the rear end choice, especially considering the timing, then he managed to still make things worse.

Trump's not leading us to peace. It's asinine to think he is.

 

[Meowzltov]

What did you want to happen? Did you want Trump to go all the way to Helsinki just so they could toss insults at each other?

I didn't expect Trump to commit diplomatic treason.

I expected truth to be said with tact, so that diplomacy could be built upon reality.

 

[Saucy]

Well, not betray our country for starters. Trump made the choice to meet with Putin. It was a head up the rear end choice, especially considering the timing, then he managed to still make things worse.

Trump's not leading us to peace. It's asinine to think he is.

He's not? Honestly, would you have cheered if he confronted Putin? I seriously doubt you or anyone would. People would be saying it's undiplomatic and Trump just wants war. No matter what it is he says or does, you guys will disapprove of it.

 

[Saucy]

I didn't expect Trump to commit diplomatic treason.

I expected truth to be said with tact, so that diplomacy could be built upon reality.

He didn't commit treason. the truth has been said over and over again.

If I was Trump, I wouldn't trust the intelligence agencies either, considering those at the top tried to overthrow his presidency.

 

[Go Braves]

He's not? Honestly, would you have cheered if he confronted Putin? I seriously doubt you or anyone would. People would be saying it's undiplomatic and Trump just wants war.

No Saucy, he's most certainly not leading us to peace. Again, Saucy, Trump had the choice about whether to meet with Putin. It was an incredibly foolish choice to make, but he made it anyhow. Then he exacerbated that foolish choice tremendously. He behaved treasonously. He might as well have pulled his britches down & dropped a load onto the American flag for the profound lack of respect he showed. Total disgrace to our country.

No matter what it is he says or does, you guys will disapprove of it.

Well by "you guys" do you mean folks who are patriotic, reasonable & honest instead of just sycophants to Trump? Are you including Dan Coats as part of the "you guys"?

 

[Saucy]

No Saucy, he's most certainly not leading us to peace. Again, Saucy, Trump had the choice about whether to meet with Putin. It was an incredibly foolish choice to make, but he made it anyhow. Then he exacerbated that foolish choice tremendously. He behaved treasonously. He might as well have pulled his britches down & dropped a load onto the American flag for the profound lack of respect he showed. Total disgrace to our country.



Well by "you guys" do you mean folks who are patriotic, reasonable & honest instead of just sycophants to Trump? Are you including Dan Coats as part of the "you guys"?

No, he didn't. Treason is letting the Russians hack us in the first place and acting like it's no big deal. Treason is telling Russia that you have more 'flexibility' in your second term. Treason isn't saying you don't necessarily agree with the intelligence agencies, when the investigation is STILL going on. All he said is Putin strongly denied it. He was trying to be diplomatic.

Oh, and there's no reasonable about your stance or of anyone on the left. Patriot is laughable. You accept any and all anti-Trump story that hits the news. You refuse to budge when he does something good.

 

[danny ski]

Well, not betray our country for starters. Trump made the choice to meet with Putin. It was a head up the rear end choice, especially considering the timing, then he managed to still make things worse.

Trump's not leading us to peace. It's asinine to think he is.

Are you guys at war with Russia? Russia, notwithstanding the crazy American media, is not a threat to America. It's barely a second world country with an economy smaller than that of California. Most countries "hack" each other. That's the game. It would seem that President Trump is making an attempt to get along with Russia. How can a dialogue be a bad thing? Has the America gone nuts?

 

[Saucy]

Are you guys at war with Russia? Russia, notwithstanding the crazy American media, is not a threat to America. It's barely a second world country with an economy smaller than that of California. Most countries "hack" each other. That's the game. It would seem that President Trump is making an attempt to get along with Russia. How can a dialogue be a bad thing? Has the America gone nuts?

It's not a bad thing. They just hate Russia because and say it's a threat because they believe Russia brought us Donald Trump. If Trump didn't win, this wouldn't even be a story. Again, Obama ignored it when Hillary was winning. It only became a huge deal when she lost.

Rod Rosenstein just said a few days ago that no American was involved and it had no impact on the elections, yet they still want to blame Trump for all of it.

 

[Go Braves]

Treason is letting the Russians hack us in the first place and acting like it's no big deal. .

That's exactly what Trump has done, Saucy. Actual diplomats have resoundingly disagreed with you that Trump was just being diplomatic.

Oh, and there's no reasonable about your stance or of anyone on the left. Patriot is laughable. You accept any and all anti-Trump story that hits the news. You refuse to budge when he does something good.

Subservient idolization of Trump isn't reasonable, Saucy. I thought you said you weren't even going to participate in discussions about Trump on account of how it triggers you? I'm not on the left, nor are many of the folks who have repudiated Trump for his actions in Helsinki. You didn't answer the previous question. Do you see Dan Coats as being one of the "you guys"?

 

[Meowzltov]

He didn't commit treason. the truth has been said over and over again.

If I was Trump, I wouldn't trust the intelligence agencies either, considering those at the top tried to overthrow his presidency.

Seriously? ALL the intelligency agencies AGREE! And you would find our enemy Putin more credible? It defies common sense.

 

[Kaon]

central banks are the evil not the land or people of Russia

Doesn't the Constitution of the Russian Federation establishes a special legal status for the Bank of Russia, giving it the exclusive right to issue currency and oversee financial stability?

In other words, Russia is overseen by a centralized bank just like the States.