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[MentalSoliloquy]

I don't mean to offend anyone but I have a serious question.

I) According to the Bible, every human is made in the Divine image, so if every human is made in God's image, then no one is imperfect, because God is perfect right?

II) It also says that God is the ultimate judge, and that no person can judge another person. If this is true, then even if we believe someone is wrong, we can't judge because ultimately God is the one who decides that person's path..

ok so if all this is true than how can a homosexual be wrong, if everyone is made in the same image, and if they do happen to be wrong, what gives us the right to say whether or not they can have the same rights as anyone else? Shouldn't God decide?

Thanks ahead of time to anyone who can explain this to me.

I read this on another forum can anyone answer this so that can answer approriately

 

[Tenorvoice]

as to the second one. The Bible does say that we are not to judge, but that is refering to the way that God Judges. It is not saying that we are not to go to our Borthers/Sisters, if we see them doing something wrong/commiting a sin. With a loving heart and rebuke them.

Pr 15:31 He who listens to a life-giving rebuke will be at home among the wise
Pr 17:10 A rebuke impresses a man of discernment more than a hundred lashes a fool.
Pr 27:5 Better is open rebuke than hidden love.
(Jesus speaking here)Lk 17:3 So watch yourselves. "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.
1Ti 5:1 Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers,
1Ti 5:2 older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity. 2Ti 4:2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
*** 2:15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
*** 1:13 This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith


There are more on rebuking your brother but I think these are some of the most powerfull speaking.

 

[Tenorvoice]

And as to the first question.

That was true until the fall of man. (Hence why untill the flood people were able to like for 600+ years) When sin enter the picture then so did death. our bodies were once man to be perfect and never were out/last forever. But when Adam and Eve sined that brought in death and destruction. There was no illnesses then, no deformaties. But the further and further that we get away from the original sin point the less and less our bodies are perfect.

I hope that these two can help you out.

God Bless, Phileo in Christ Jesus

Tenor

 

[mrs.wilde]

I read this on another forum can anyone answer this so that can answer approriately

Your question is so good and so many people dont know what to do or ignoring or misusing the Bible's teaching. Tenorvoice explained it so well. But you have to watch out because so many people criticise you if you point out their sin or wrong doing. its because no one likes to be remind of ugly part of them selves. the only protection from those kind of people is we have to have our own strong faith meaning we have to follow Him wholeheartedly. then it doesnt bother you no matter how they criticise you you just do what you believe God want you to do or say. you have to remember most people say to you do not judge when you criticise some one. love mrs wilde

 

[helmikaarina]

If we only could be looking at ourselves and other people as God looks at us - with loving eyes - and if we are trying to see God's image in ourselves and others, it might be we wouldn't be so quick to jugde and so harsh to others. We are like beautiful pearls to him, unique and precious.

Not answering just thinking...

 

[Tenorvoice]

But you have to watch out because so many people criticise you if you point out their sin or wrong doing. its because no one likes to be remind of ugly part of them selves.

Hence forth why I said that it should and has to be done in a loving matter. Go to him/her in the Spirit of the Lord and rebuke them in a loving way. Not harshly, but out of love for them as a sibling in Christ.

God Bless

 

[vinc]

I) According to the Bible, every human is made in the Divine image, so if every human is made in God's image, then no one is imperfect, because God is perfect right?
Yes, every human is made in the image of God. God is Perfect and Infinite. Human is Imperfect and Finite. Therefore, we grow on to Perfection. No human being can boast that s(he) is perfect and all-knowing as long as s(he) is in this world.

II) It also says that God is the ultimate judge, and that no person can judge another person. If this is true, then even if we believe someone is wrong, we can't judge because ultimately God is the one who decides that person's path.
Yes. And we can pray that God may lead such a person to the Truth if we have the burden.

ok so if all this is true than how can a homosexual be wrong, if everyone is made in the same image, and if they do happen to be wrong, what gives us the right to say whether or not they can have the same rights as anyone else? Shouldn't God decide?
Yes, its God who has to decide the destiny of every human. Homosexuals are also human beings made in the image of God. And to that extent we ought to love and respect them instead of judging them.

Thanks ahead of time to anyone who can explain this to me.
No mention.

 

[chilibowl]

The understanding of "made in his image" is where the whole line of questioning hinges.. So lets tug on this string..

Let's Look at god's atturbutes and let's look at ours as "Vinc" points out god knows all and lives forever.. and we know very little and are here for a short time...
So with that "The made in his image" Doesn't mean we are "Still" in the image of god.. "We evolved" or as some would put it de-evolved.. And because we are not the same anymore puts God in the judgement seat again, and us in need of a savior yet again..

because of this selfevident expression of De-elvolution "sin" or Expression Free will.. proves that we in fact choose our own path not god.. if he did then we couldn't choose to be sinful, and we would have retained our original "Godly image"

I hope that helps

 

[mrs.wilde]

If we only could be looking at ourselves and other people as God looks at us - with loving eyes - and if we are trying to see God's image in ourselves and others, it might be we wouldn't be so quick to jugde and so harsh to others. We are like beautiful pearls to him, unique and precious.

Not answering just thinking...

i havent met many people pointing out anybody's sin so you dont have to worry about that. problesms are most people dont notice anybody's wrong doing, every one is so busy minding their own business. Jesus is expecting for us to be good examples to the world. we have to encourage each other to be obedient to Him if we really appriciate His sacrifice. Thats the least we can do for Him doing the best to follow His teaching. sincerely

 

[Endure2]

yes we were made in the image and likness of God, and then sin happened, the world was cursed, adam fell, he became a sinner, he was no longer immortal, he no longer walked with God, the world went to hell in a handbasket and had to be wiped clean with a flood. adam named all the animals and ruled over them, we cant do that anymore.

the bible says seth adam's son was made in adams image, not Gods image.
alot has changed since the beginning. though we do retain many Godly things.

God being the only judge means God is the one who chooses what happens to people and their righteousness.
but when we take what God said and say "this is what God said about you" we are not choosing the sentence and we are only believing what God has already said.
me believing a homosexual is wrong doesnt come from my intuition or knowledge or assumption that he is wrong, rather just my trusting that when God said said he was wrong, he meant it. its because i believe God.

when we say things concering truth or right and wrong, when we say them as God being the authority and the reason, thats not us judging, Gods the one who said it.

and we know whether a person is right or wrong as far as we can know what the bible says about what they do. if the bible says they are wrong, then we can know they are wrong. becuase only God can judge, and he has.
me knowing doesnt mean it has anything to do with me.

or else the entire bible becomes useless to us.

 

[Sketcher]

I'll echo what's been said: After man sinned, sin infected humanity so we are no longer good, like God.

And about the homosexuals: First, science has not shown that they are born that way. The "proof" they had was debunked in a later study. Second, even if they were born that way, it does not matter. For example, I have my father's temper, and he had his father's temper. What the line is between genetics and upbringing I do not know. But I do know that whichever it is, I have no excuse for being easily angered, self righteous, and given to fits of rage before God. Therefore, what makes a homosexual so special? Is their sin better than mine? No sin gets special treatment in the Lord's eyes. They are all equally damnable.

 

[NJA]

when it says "judge not" it means don't condemn... you don't know who is condemned or who will be saved. We can know what's right or wrong though and *should* judge accordingly.

1Cor.6:4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
:5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

 

[mrs.wilde]

Hence forth why I said that it should and has to be done in a loving matter. Go to him/her in the Spirit of the Lord and rebuke them in a loving way. Not harshly, but out of love for them as a sibling in Christ.

God Bless

if it's loving or not it's up to God to judge. Nobody is perfect. the way people talk may not be living up to your standard or your way, God is the only one who knows if that's loving way or not. People sometimes say "your way is harsh" because they want to silence the talker and that's arrogant.

 

[Endure2]

if that were true there would be no authority in the church, and paul said to submit to those in spiritual authority over you.
we have the mind of Christ, we can know what is love and what is not.
paul said we have an unction from the holyone and we can know all things.
if we are directed by the spirit of God, yes we can know how to act.
act is what we are called to do.
we are the ambassadors of Christ.

you can know what is right and what is wrong and you can also tell it, though we have to be humble about it.

 

[BlackSaab52]

I read this on another forum can anyone answer this so that can answer approriately

There's one problem with this, and that is that the person who said this is forgetting about the Fall. Mankind was originally made in God's image, but he was stained by sin and is now corrupt.
About judging, we aren't supposed to judge the outside world, but Christians are to judge each other (I Corinthians 5)

9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."[b]

Christians should deal with other Christians who are being immoral, but they should not tell non-Christians how they need to behave, but instead should lead them to Christ first.

 

[mrs.wilde]

There's one problem with this, and that is that the person who said this is forgetting about the Fall. Mankind was originally made in God's image, but he was stained by sin and is now corrupt.
About judging, we aren't supposed to judge the outside world, but Christians are to judge each other (I Corinthians 5)



Christians should deal with other Christians who are being immoral, but they should not tell non-Christians how they need to behave, but instead should lead them to Christ first.

i agree with you, thanks

 

[Simonline]

I don't mean to offend anyone but I have a serious question.

I) According to the Bible, every human is made in the Divine image, so if every human is made in God's image, then no one is imperfect, because God is perfect right?

II) It also says that God is the ultimate judge, and that no person can judge another person. If this is true, then even if we believe someone is wrong, we can't judge because ultimately God is the one who decides that person's path..

ok so if all this is true than how can a homosexual be wrong, if everyone is made in the same image, and if they do happen to be wrong, what gives us the right to say whether or not they can have the same rights as anyone else? Shouldn't God decide?

Thanks ahead of time to anyone who can explain this to me.I read this on another forum can anyone answer this so that can answer approriately

Your first point fails to take into account the Fall. Yes, humans are made in the image of God (Gen.1:26-27) but we are now also fallen sinful creatures. This means that we are all sinners. We are no longer perfect. The whole of history is about how God is redeeming his Creation (and not just humans either) from the devastatingly catastrophic effects of sin.

Whilst it is true that God is the ultimate judge it is not true that no creature is ever to judge another creature (otherwise why do we have law-courts and human judges?) The Scriptures actually teach that God has placed people into positions of authority (both inside (1Cor.5) and outside the Church (Rom.13:1-7; 1Pet.2:13-25)) who are charged with the responsibility of maintaining God's created order (both inside and outside the Church) and of both passing judgment and executing judgment on those who violate that order. The Scriptures teach that if you are not in such a position then, and only then, should you refrain from judging. Without this Divine order there is demonic chaos, it's as simple as that.

The Scriptures teach that Homosexuality as a lifestyle and practice is a direct violation of the created order as God created it. God has therefore declared that the practise of homosexual activity is a sin (Rom.1:18-32) This is not, however, the same as condeming someone who simply has a homosexual orientation, since it is possible to have a homosexual orientation whilst remaining sexually celibate, in which case no sin is being committed (except by those Christians who regard and treat such as person with suspicion or mistrust simply on the basis of no objective evidence whatsoever other than the person's [obvious?] sexual orientation).

Simonline.