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TruthSetsYouFree said:
If I'm not mistaken, you still have not answered my question.

Why does it say that the Holy Ghost came on them?
Because it did? No more to read into it than the holy spirit came upon them. Just like everyone else who gets saved. The holy Spirit comes upon them.

It doesn't say a gift, it said the HOLY GHOST came on them when hands were laid on them.

That's right it doesn't say a gift. But the Holy Spirit operates through us in 9 gifts outlined by Paul.

The holy spirit enters all believers at salvation. Correct? That's why we as pentecostals say that you don't have to speak in tongues to be saved. However most Pentecostals believe in this seperate baptism that occurs after salvation and the initial evidence of that is tongues.

That's not all true. The Holy Spirit enters our lives. In that existence we then, through the Holy Spirit are empowered to operate using 9 of the gifts outlined by Paul. You see the men in Acts 19 immediately operate in 2 of the gifts. Tongues and Prophecy. So not only is tongues an initial evidence, but so is prophecy, and if prophecy is so is the other 7 gifts.

Everyone is baptized in the holy spirit. But not everyone is going to operate in the 9 gifts immediately. Why does Paul say "Desire the best gifts?". Why does Paul say that the Holy Spirit gives US what HE (the Holy Spirit) decides. It's not up to me whether I do, or want to speak in tongues. It's the Holy Spirit's decision. Anything else is extra-biblica teaching IMO.

So as new believers we are filled with the spirit. However, as new believers we must, as Paul teaches, to remember that all the gifts are from the Holy Spirit. He decides what gifts we utter. And if we are not operating in the body correctly we should earnestly desire the best gifts.

Why do you think tongues is so evident in Acts?

What was and is tongues true purpose for the body and the believer?
 
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RevKidd, why did Paul lay His hands on them then? It made a very important point that when Paul laid his hands on them, that's when they received the Holy Ghost. Does that mean that people must have hands laid on them to be saved?

Another good question: How come did Jesus tell us to ASK for the Holy Ghost? When the Holy Ghost was not yet given back then, He was clearly speaking for the time AFTER Pentecost! Were people asking for the Holy Ghost back then (before Jesus was glorified) and receiving it or something?
 
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Mark2010 said:
So basically you are saying God is able and willing to do these things if we ask/invite/allow him to? That it's really up to us how much of God we want?

Well do you go to heaven without asking Jesus in your heart? No it's impossible you have to believe and ask. It's the same for these things to happen you have to be a faithful servant. You can't just decide you're going to get these things one day and God automatically do it. You have to seek him!! You can't just stand there and expect for it to happen. You have to believe and seek it, and ask for it. Sometimes it is up to us how much of God we want... if you really wanted to you could pray all day and all night! You could be an unquenchable worshipper! We decide when in enough most of the time.. we let itme get in our way! We're the ones who decide well I think I'm full now... I'm satified... Thats not how it works!! God always wants to give you more.. but you have to want it first you have to move yourself out of his way and let him into your life! You have to be willing to give it all to God! Time, pain, strength, emotion, everything within you!!! Then and only then can you be truly humbled... and full. I hope that makes sense.
 
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I feel that, first it's better to allow God to use you to speak in tongues than again it's God will vs. Free will. I have learn that you can get it even if you don't want to. Like again would you rather bend or break a lesson I have learn it's way beeter to bend to for God to break you down please take the lesson I hhave learned. You don't want to go through that b/c things will come up in your life that if you gave it to God it would be so much better but when we pray the devil can heard us and understand when you speak in tongues he coan't he get confused it's just you and God than.
 
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In a way yes, I do feel that he dosen't need to know everything we are praying about . Some I feel if he didn't know what we were praying about sometimes like what might bother us he couldn't attack us with it b/c he woldn't know. I don't think that this is the only one I know there are more I will use me. I need to be able to speak in tongues sometimes b/c it's a pure payer sometimes you don't even know what you are praying it's coming from the heart something might happen and my spirit is telling my heart to pray something like that it's edivance of the holy spirit. I am using it as an example b/c I don't and i KNOW WHY i DON'T AND IT's b/c at first I was to scared even when I felt it but after all the breaking that God had to do I realize that all of us need it at least I know I do.Sorry if this is confusing. Basically I am saying it's very imporant I was pointing one thing 0out about it.I know what it's for, why people have it and all of that. Also sorry for the caps didn't realized I hit it. God bless you now and forever:)
 
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TruthSetsYouFree said:
RevKidd, why did Paul lay His hands on them then? It made a very important point that when Paul laid his hands on them, that's when they received the Holy Ghost. Does that mean that people must have hands laid on them to be saved?


Maybe I'm not understanding what you are trying to say...
How are we saved? By faith.
Faith comes by hearing the word.
We are not saved by the laying on of hands.
As Christians what do we say. "Christ come and dwell in our hearts" (or something like that right. So who actually lives in us? Christ or the Holy Spirit? Actually, both are the same. So when we ask Christ to come into our lives we are also asking the Holy Spirit to come into our lives right. The trinity is 3 who are one and equal. Christ is God, God is Christ and the Holy Spirit is Christ and so forth.... Are we getting mixed up in semantics here or what.

So if the Holy Spirit is Christ, living in us, then why do we believe in this second baptism of the holy Spirit?

Another good question:
How come did Jesus tell us to ASK for the Holy Ghost? When the Holy Ghost was not yet given back then, He was clearly speaking for the time AFTER Pentecost! Were people asking for the Holy Ghost back then (before Jesus was glorified) and receiving it or something?

Read above answer. Christ and the Holy SPirit are one in the same, he was basically speaking about himself.
 
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Revkidd,

The Holy Spirit comes to live within every believer, but when we are told to be 'filled with the Spirit', that means that every believer obviously doesn't have "all they can get" the moment they accept Jesus. There's obviously a second experience that is mentioned in scripture, and it is often received through the laying on of hands. The Bible tells us to be filled with the Spirit, so apparently there's different 'levels' of the Holy Spirit's relation to us as believers. If we already have the Holy Ghost with us (all we can get) as new believers, then why are we told to be "filled" with the Spirit? It's not a simple white and black measurement here.

I'd still like to hear your answer to one of my most important questions (see red text below):

TruthSetsYouFree said:
RevKidd, why did Paul lay His hands on them then? It made a very important point that when Paul laid his hands on them, that's when they received the Holy Ghost. Does that mean that people must have hands laid on them to be saved?

Acts 8:18, "And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,"

My question is, what's this 'laying on of hands' all about? :confused:

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TruthSetsYouFree said:
Revkidd,

The Holy Spirit comes to live within every believer, but when we are told to be 'filled with the Spirit', that means that every believer obviously doesn't have "all they can get" the moment they accept Jesus. There's obviously a second experience that is mentioned in scripture...

Chapter and Verse Please...?

... and it is often received through the laying on of hands.

Yes I will agree. But if you read in 1 Corinthians, you find Paul exhorting the church, who are all believers, who have more than likely had hands laid on them to earnestly desire and seek after other gifts besides tongues... Why is that. Because they were ignorant of the gifts. That's why Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 12 the purpose and use of the gifts which are to be used.

There's obviously a second experience that is mentioned in scripture, and it is often received through the laying on of hands.

No there is no evidence for this second experience. There is however scripture that can lead to that conclusion. Most of those scriptures are found in Acts. However, one must take into consideration that Acts is full of circumstantial evidence. Acts is a history book. It not a book that one should sit down and read and try and establish doctrine. Rather Acts should be used to verify doctrine taught by the Paul and the remaining NT authors.

If you used the book of Acts to try and justify that there is a second infilling or baptism after salvation you are merely basing your evidence on a part of what happened to the first Century church. Do you honestly think Luke recorded all that happened. No. Acts is a Highlight real. It's still a divine book and letter. But it is not a book that is instructional or doctrinal. That's why people cannot harmonize Acts with 1 Corinthians 12 -14. However, if you understand 1 Corinthians 12-14 and then read Acts you will understand it more and be able to Harmonize it.

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Current Pentecostalism teaches that everyone should speak in tongues based on Acts... However Paul teaches that, Not all will speak with tonges, and that it is the Holy Spirit who decides who gives the utterance. Not me or you. Also Paul teaches that Tongues is for the unbeliever, not the believer. So why do we then teach that tongues is the evidence for us when someone is filled. These are legitimate questions that cannot be answered by hard nosed pentecostals today. There answeres range from 2 gifts of tongues and things like there is more than one experience. Show me these two different tongues or experiences taught by Paul and even Christ.

The Bible tells us to be filled with the Spirit, so apparently there's different 'levels' of the Holy Spirit's relation to us as believers. If we already have the Holy Ghost with us (all we can get) as new believers, then why are we told to be "filled" with the Spirit? It's not a simple white and black measurement here.
There are not different levels... Once again chapter and verse please.

What evidence is there that we can be partially filled or half full...

So you basically believe that being filled is evident in tongues. Well that is not the case. One can be completely filled and excersize tongues, prophecy, discernment, faith, wisdom etc... It's the teachings of today that have people thinking that full power doesn't come until tongues happens, but that is not what Paul teaches.

I'd still like to hear your answer to one of my most important questions (see red text below):



Acts 8:18, "And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,"

My question is, what's this 'laying on of hands' all about? :confused:

Bobby

I don't know if I have an exact answer. But you make it seem like that one is saved. Then the laying on of hands. Then the infilling are all seperate events. There not and don't make them. I have seen many people get hand laid on them, who do not speak with tongues and I am sure, based on 1 corinthians, they experienced the same.
 
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ARE TONGUES AVAILABLE TO ALL CHRISTIANS?

In 1 Corinthians 12:30, Paul asks the hypothetical question "Do all speak in tongues?" This has led some to the conclusion that tongues as a whole are only for a select few Christians.

There are three different manifestations of tongues. The context of Paul's above mentioned statement is a discussion of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, tongues being one of them. He is giving instruction for the proper use of the gifts in a church service. When Paul speaks of tongues in this setting, he is referring to the ministry gift of tongues, which, as previously stated, is only one of the three, and is only given by the Holy Spirit in certain situations. This type of tongues is a sign to unbelievers. However, we read other instances in Scripture where people spoke in tongues, and no unbelievers were present (see Acts 10:46; 19:6, as well as note 1 below), giving further proof that this is not the exclusive purpose for tongues.

As for the other two manifestations of tongues, however, there are a number of Scriptures that clearly teach that they are for all Christians:

  • 1. Jesus said "These signs shall follow THEM THAT BELIEVE...." one of them being "they shall speak with new tongues." (Mark 16:17)

    2. At the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, ALL spoke with tongues. (Acts 2:4)

    3. Throughout the Book of Acts, there is a consistent pattern of tongues being the initial evidence when someone is baptized in the Holy Spirit. See Acts 2:1-4;Acts 10:44-46;Acts 19:2-7. (more on this next question.)

    4. Paul desired all Christians to speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5)

    5. The exhortations to "Pray in the Spirit" (Ephesians 6:18 )and "in the Holy Ghost" (Jude 20,) terms synonymous with praying in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:14-16,) are directed to all Christians.
I compare it to this :All Christians are to have faith (Mark 11:22; Ephesians 2:8,) but some have a special GIFT of faith (1 Corinthians 12:9.) All Christians are to be merciful (Matthew 5:7; Luke 6:36,) but some have a special ministry gift of mercy (Romans 12:8.) Likewise,the wonderful experience of praying in tongues is available to all Christians, but some have a special public ministry gift of tongues.



For futher comparison, here is a chart summarizing and contrasting the different aspects of tongues:

Public Gift of Tongues


Spoken with interpretation to the church (Equal to prophecy-1 Corinthians 14:5)
To be interpreted (1 Corinthians 14:5)
Edifies the church (when interpreted-1 Corinthians 14:4-5)
A sign to unbelievers (1 Corinthians 14:22
Not given to all believers (1 Cor. 12:30)


Personal Prayer Language


Spoken privately to God (1 Corinthians 14:2)

No interpretation necessary (1 Corinthians 14:28)

Edifies the individual believer (1 Corinthians 14:4)
Can be manifested when no unbelievers are present (Acts 10:46; 19:6)

Should be desired and practiced by all Christians (Mark 16:17; 1 Corinthians 14:5; Ephesians 6:18; Jude 20 ).







II.WHAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN TONGUES AND THE BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT?

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a supernatural empowerment from God into the Christian's life. It can happen at the moment a person is first saved, but as the following verses point out, it is normatively an event subsequent to salvation. Since the baptism is a supernatural experience, it would stand to reason that it would by accompanied by a supernatural sign or evidence. Looking at the Biblical pattern, we see that this sign is speaking in tongues.

There are five recorded instances in the Book of Acts of people receiving the baptism. Each time, it either says the people spoke in tongues, or at least strongly implies that they did. Let's look at each case on an individual basis:

  • PENTECOST-Acts 2:1-4-As we stated earlier, the Holy Spirit was first poured out on the day of Pentecost. Of the 120 people who received the Spirit, every one of them, without exception, spoke in tongues (including, interestingly, Mary, the Mother of Jesus-Acts 1:14.) Note particularly the impact this experience had on Peter.In chapter 2, verses 14-41, we see the same disciple who had three times denied he even knew Jesus now stood in the face of a hostile crowd and boldly proclaimed the Gospel, resulting in 3000 people coming to Christ!

    THE BELIEVERS AT SAMARIA- Acts 8:14-24-Here the apostles receive the wonderful news of the Gospel spreading into Samaria. Upon hearing this, they immediately sent Peter and John to pray for them, so that they could receive the Holy Spirit. While they are ministering to these believers, a sorcerer named Simon sees this miraculous event, and offers Peter and John money for the ability to impart the Holy Spirit to others. Of course, Peter sharply rebukes him, telling him he has no part or lot in this matter (verse 20.) Although this account does not specifically mention tongues, it is important to notice two things:
    • 1. Simon SAW that the Holy Spirit was being given (verse 18,) therefore, there must have been some sort of tangible evidence of the Holy Spirit's impartation.

      2. In verse 20, when Peter tells Simon that he has no part or lot in this matter, it is interesting to note that the word "matter" in the Greek can also be translated "utterance!" Simon had no part or lot in the UTTERANCE that he saw.
    Keeping these two things in mind, as well as comparing this event with others like it in Scripture, I believe it is perfectly safe to say that the evidence that Simon saw was the utterance in tongues of those who whose lives were being transformed by this marvelous work of the Holy Spirit.

    PAUL AND ANANIAS-Acts 9:17-18-After his dramatic encounter with God on the road to Damascus, Paul receives a visit from a man named Ananias, who was sent by God so that Paul, who had been blinded during the Damascus encounter, might "receive his sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost ." Although this particular passage does not state that Paul spoke in tongues, we know he did because he later wrote to the Corinthian church "I thank my God I speak in tongues more than you all ." ( 1 Corinthians 14:18) .

    PETER AND THE FAMILY OF CORNELIUS-Acts 10:44-46-Cornelius and his family were the first Gentiles (non Jews) to ever become Christians. In the dramatic account of their conversion, we see Cornelius seeking God, who sends an angel to tell him to seek out the Apostle Peter, who, at the same time, was told by the Holy Spirit that Cornelius' men were looking for him. Peter obediently goes to visit Cornelius, and shares the Gospel with him and his family. While Peter was preaching to them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues . The Jewish believers were astonished at this, because this Gentile family had received the Holy Spirit just like they had. Notice that when they witnessed this wonderful event, THE evidence that they recognized was that "they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God." ( verse 46) .

    PAUL AND THE EPHESIAN BELIEVERS- Acts 19:2-7- While passing through the city of Ephesus, Paul encounters a group of disciples and quickly asks them "Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?" They responded that they had never even heard of the Holy Spirit. Paul then gives them some further instruction, baptizes them in water, and lays hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit. When they do, they speak in tongues, as well as prophesy.
One of the basic rules of Bible interpretation is that it takes a minimum of two or three Scriptures to establish a doctrine ( Matthew 18:16; 2 Corinthians 13:1.) So with these five examples, we can see that the doctrine of tongues as initial evidence is solidly Scriptural. Receiving the baptism has been humorously compared to buying a pair of shoes- Tongues come with it!




III. I KNOW MANY WONDERFUL CHRISTIANS WHO DON'T SPEAK IN TONGUES.IF TONGUES ARE AVAILABLE TO ALL CHRISTIANS,WHAT ABOUT THEM?

I also know many great Christian people who have never uttered a word in tongues. I have also known a few Christians who did speak in tongues who were downright mean! The issue here is the FRUIT of the Holy Spirit vs. the GIFTS of the Holy Spirit.

When a person is Born Again, the Holy Spirit comes to INDWELL him. All Christians have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. As the Christian yields to the indwelling Holy Spirit, the Spirit produces His fruits- love, joy, peace, etc. (Galatians 5:22-23) in the believer's life. However, when he is baptized in the Holy Spirit, the Spirit comes to EMPOWER him. This produces the Spirit's supernatural power and gifts in the believer.(Acts 1:8).

This being said, it is possible to operate in the fruit of the Spirit, but not the gifts of the Spirit. At the same time, it is possible to operate in the gifts of the Spirit, but not the fruit of the Spirit. This was a problem in the Corinthian church, who in spite of lots of spiritual manifestations such as tongues, were still chastised by the Apostle Paul for being carnal (1 Corinthians 3:3.) Paul also said that without love, tongues are less than worthless (1 Corinthians 13:1.)

It is not my intention to in any way imply that Christians who don't speak in tongues are any less saved, or are any less in love with Jesus than Christians who do. Possibly, because of there background, denomination, or some other factor, they simply haven't been taught about tongues. Like the Ephesian believers Paul encountered in Acts 19:2-7, they simply are not aware that such an experience is available to them.

God wants us to operate in both the fruit and the gifts of the Spirit. We must keep a balanced, focused view on this. I don't claim that speaking in tongues has made me a better Christian than anyone else, but I do know this-It has made me a better Christian than I was before!

IV. IF IT IS GOD'S WILL FOR ALL CHRISTIANS TO SPEAK IN TONGUES, THEN WHY DO SOME HAVE TROUBLE RECEIVING THEIR PRAYER LANGUAGES?

When properly instructed, most Christians receive their prayer language quickly and easily. However, there are very sincere believers who, for whatever reason, struggle in this area. For some, it becomes a source of frustration and discouragement. Why does this happen? While I can't address every possible scenario, here are a few of the most common:

  • Religious tradition-If you come from a church background that is hostile to speaking in tongues, I realize that old prejudices can be hard to overcome. Nevertheless, we cannot allow religious traditions to make God's Word ineffective to us (Mark 7:13). Thank God for the Bible truths you may have learned from your denominational church, but keep in mind that speaking in tongues will not nullify any of them! The Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of Truth (John 14:17), and the prayer language He gives you will both reinforce the truth you already know, as well as prepare your heart to better receive truth you may not yet know.

    Codemnation-Some Christians feel that they are not "worthy" to speak in tongues. However, if we were perfect, we wouldn't need it anyway! The only prerequisite to being baptized in the Holy Spirit is that you be born again. You do not receive it through your performance. You receive it through faith in God's grace (see Galatians 3:2). If Jesus is your Lord and Savior, then you are ready to receive! You are no longer unworthy in His sight. You are forgiven and accepted by Him. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ (Romans 8:1). Claim this wonderful promise as yours, and determine to never again allow condemnation to rob you of God's blessing.

    Fear-Although we discussed this in the previous message, it bares stating again: Jesus promises in In Luke 11:9-13 that if we ask Him for bread, He will not give us a stone. Verse 13 assures us beyond any question that if we ask God for the Holy Spirit, that is exactly what we will get.

    Not understanding what to expect-A common misconception is that when we speak in tongues, the Holy Spirit "grabs" our mouths and forces words out of us. This is not true at all. In Acts 2:4, notice that the people "...began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." It was the Spirit who gave the utterance, but they were the ones who had to the speaking. In addition, Paul's instruction on when it is and is not appropriate to speak in tongues (see 1 Corinthians 14:6-13; 16-17; 23-25, 27-28) further shows us that the response is an act of our will.
Getting your prayer language is not difficult. It is a simple matter of asking and receiving. Just ask God in faith to baptize you in the Holy Spirit, then open your mouth and speak whatever He gives you. At first it may just be a syllable or two. You didn't learn to speak English all at once, so you needn't expect a complete, fluent language to come all at once. Use what you get, and more will come. Yes, it is that simple! (1)



V. DO I HAVE TO SPEAK IN TONGUES?

No,you don't HAVE to, you GET to! As we discussed in the previous message, Scripture exhorts us to covet, or as the literal Greek puts it, to "pursue with passion" the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:31.) Being filled with the Spirit, and operating in this realm is an awesome privilege!

You can be genuinely saved, love Jesus with all your heart, and go to Heaven when you die, and never speak in tongues. At the same time, however, you will miss out on many of the wonderful blessings and benefits that God has for you that are directly linked to speaking in tongues. God is a Spirit, and He wants to relate to us on the spirit level (John 4:24.) The natural person can't receive the things of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:14.) We must go into the Spirit realm to draw them out. Without tongues, we will never fully enter into that spirit realm in our prayer lives. We can, and should pray to God in our natural language (1 Corinthians 14:15.) He understands English perfectly well! However, we are still very finite, limited creatures, with only three and a half pounds of brain with which to communicate with the vastness of the creator of the universe! When we pray in tongues, our spirit prays (1 Corinthians 14:14,) and we communicate with God Spirit to spirit, speaking mysteries (1 Corinthians 14:2) to Him. (The word "mysteries" in the Greek means "divine secrets, knowledge unrevealed to the uninitiated.")
 
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RevKidd, if you want to get anywhere with me, you need to explain this verse:

[font=verdana,arial,helvetica]Acts 8:18, "And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money."

Another verse I'd like to point out is John 20:22, "
[/font]And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:"... that was before the day of Pentecost. If they already received it then, why were they told to wait until they got ENDUED with power?

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
 
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