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Sheseala said:
shh! pretend I didn't post here!
  1. "Thirty Six Nanoseconds Faster Than Light"
    Electronics and Wireless World 1988 pp 1162-1165
  2. "Faster Than Light?" Radio-Electronics pp 55-58.
    Also - "New Scientist" April 1, 1995; pp 26-29 "Faster Than What" Newsweek June 19, 1995 p 67-69

"The speed of light was ten billion times faster at time zero!"
Dr. V.S. Troitskii, Cosmologist at the Radio-physical Research Institute in Gorky. "Physical Constants and the Evolution of the Universe" Astrophysics and Space Science , Vol. 139, No. 2, December 1987 pp 389-411. "A shocking possibility is that the speed of light might change in time during the life of the universe."
Dr. Joao Magueijo of Imperial College London Sunday-times.co.uk 12-24-2000
 
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Forerunner...I got a better idea....God the creator Expanded the dense matter? Possible? The quantum fluctation had to start from something...Ive never seen a car start itself

The idea of causality as we know it may not have applied at that point. Difficult to grasp, I admit, but the reality is that not all physical laws apply in all situations.
 
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hmmm....The man got a degree from a homeschool program sop taht make shim wrong....interesting.. I wonder how many Evolutionists, or Physists got a degree from the University of Phoenix or such..
No Bmount1217, Patriot University isn't accredited. It's a diploma mill. His degree, BTW, is in Theology (IIRC) and has nothing to do with evolution.

University of Phoenix, IIRC is accredited and is recognized as a legitimate University. BTW-I don't think you actually *can* get a degree from UoP in biology or Physics, they offer only business type degrees.
 
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bmount1217 said:
hmmm....The man got a degree from a homeschool program sop taht make shim wrong....interesting..

No, but Hovind tries to use his degree (and also his teaching "expertise") to prop up what he tells people. By telling people he has a PhD, they might more easily accept what he tells them with respect to science.

But even if his PhD was legit, it still has nothing to do with any of the science he argues against (in fact, it is in "Christian education"). So either way, that Hovind has a PhD lends absolutely nothing to his arguments, other than to more easily sway his audiences (which is all Hovind cares about it, since his arguments are largely rubbish to begin with).
 
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"Thirty Six Nanoseconds Faster Than Light"
Electronics and Wireless World 1988 pp 1162-1165
"Faster Than Light?" Radio-Electronics pp 55-58.
Also - "New Scientist" April 1, 1995; pp 26-29 "Faster Than What" Newsweek June 19, 1995 p 67-69

Umm, I pretty sure this has to do with exactly the work I helped Dr. Chiao with - quantum tunneling. It is a rather strange quantum mechanical effect that allows particles (not necessarily the same particles) to travel through a barrier at what appears to be faster than c speeds. I think you should do some more reading (actually reading, not quoting from other people's sights) about this topic before you engage anyone who knows something about the subject matter.


Have you read these articles? I have read much of the source material that they are based on and I think you will find that they do not support your point of view very well.

Yes there has been some observations that the fine structure constant may have been different in the distant past, which in turn leads to some possibility that the speed of light may have been different as well. Unfortunately for your position, the changes are no where near recent enough. We observe none of the tell-tale signs of change in the physical constants with the possible exception of the first moments after the big bang (about 13 billion years ago). So how could we see light from SN1987 which went supernova approximately 187,000 years ago?
 
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Since I have some people here, Im going to share the gospell with you guys (one more time wont hurt, you must have heard it all before i know)

First of all, most of you might think you are a good person. Well, I have a simple test to see if that is true. Here it goes:
If you have said guilty to anyone of these, then you are guilty of breaking God's law.


If you have not repented (decided to hate sin and turn from it) and put your trust in Jesus Christ then when you die you will be judged by this standard, and if you said guilty to any one of those you will recieve the consequences, eternity in hell. If you want to escape the consequences to your sin, then you must turn from your sins, ask for forgiveness, and follow Jesus.

If you do this, God will make you righteous and on the day of judgment, your case will be dismissed due to lack of evidence.

You have been warned.
 
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Modus said:
Since I have some people here, Im going to share the gospell with you guys (one more time wont hurt, you must have heard it all before i know)

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This is a science forum, not a preaching forum.

If you want to convert people, you'd be better off in the General Apologetics forum.
 
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Excuse, but It thought this was a discussion about the theory of evolution and some corrollary discussion into the apparent age of the Universe and the Earth. What exactly has this discussion have to do with the 10 Commandments? You do know that you can be Christian and accept the validity of the Theory of Evolution, don't you?
 
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Modus said:
5. "Honor your father and your mother."

Have you always honored your parents in a way that's pleasing in the sight of God? Ask Him to remind you of the sins of your youth. You may have forgotten them, but God hasn't.
How odd...My bible says that Jesus taught the opposit of this: Luke 14:26
 
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actually this discussion was about me getting material for the topics presented. I should be able to post that in a thread that I started. I know you don't like it, but it was just one post. No big deal
 
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I think Jesus was an invention of Paul to lend credence to his new cult. That makes the gospel and anything else he "said" irrelevant. What do you have to say to that.
 
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ForeRunner said:
I think Jesus was an invention of Paul to lend credence to his new cult. That makes the gospel and anything else he "said" irrelevant. What do you have to say to that.
I say you have mountains of corraborating evidence to explain away.
 
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