Help I don't really understand this

[qbit]

I am sorry I woke up the other morning and immediately I had this question it almost came from nowhere, I am now stuck and I don’t know what choice to make? The replies to the last thread I posted, most didn't really help me understand. I have tried to make this clearer so can you please tell me in the poll which points you agree with and which ones you don’t and where I am wrong? Thanks

Point 1 God is a fair God all people are equaly special to him none are more valuble. There are millions of people who have never had the chance to hear about God beacause they were not lucky like me to be born in the right counrty at the right time in the histry of the world. Because God is fair these people who have never heard the good news of Christ's sacrifice for us, must have an equally fair chance of going to heaven beacuse God would not condemn a person to Hell for what they didn't know. If you were born to Hindu parents your chance of going to heaven can not be reduced because God is equally fair to people no matter which country they are from.


Point 2 Mk 16:15-16: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."

So its my duty as a Christian to help sow the seed to nonbelievers about Christ's sacrifice for us all. When a person hears Gods word and understands the message of Christ's Sacrifice he makes a decision; if he will believe in Christ or not. If he believes on Christ he will be saved if he does not believe he will be condemned for disbelief. When we tell a person about Christs Sacrifice he must make a critical life transforming decision; reject what God has offered or accept what God has offered. Receive the Blessings offered by Christ or the consequences. I am to be Gods helper in sowing the seeds in both the good and bad soil.


Point 3 I know from experiance that it is much easyer to change the life of a young person then it is to change the life of an older person and the probability that a person over a certain age accepts a new faith is very low. Changing a Muslim person or a Jew is very very very hard especially if they are an older person. Because God is fair, and he loves us all equally, a Soul that has never had the chance to here about Christ, like the Souls in the nonchristian countries, must have the same chance as I, if they have never had the fortunate chance to here Gods word. God is fair to all people he does not favor people who happen to be born in one counrty over another. Yet the chances are very low that he will make a life changing decision when he hears the gospel, the chances are very low that he will be baptized these decisions are very very hard to make they often require a lot of sacrifice. So the chances are more likely that he will be condemned for not believeing (Mk 16:15-16).

Point 4 A Christian should love his neighbour as himself; the ultimate example is Christ who laid down his life for us. It's my Christian Duty to spread this Good News to all the world. So in many cases we should not pass the Christian message on because the message could force a friend to make a critical decision that is likely to condemn him, as he must act on what he knows. His chances for Heaven are better if he does not have to make this criticaly decision because God is equaly fair no matter what country I am from. I know I love my neighbour I have muslim friends at school, I want as many peopple as possible to go to heaven so I will not tell people about the Bible because I love them and I don’t want them to have to make a decision that is most likely to condmn them. I would rather go to Hell myself then risk sending a friend to Hell by giving him or leaving him information that is statistically likely to lead him to make a decision that is very very hard for them to make. If I give a gun to a person and I think he might do something bad with it, it is partly my responsibility, I should not have given him the gun, or left it in his letter box or left it in a place that might tempt him to take it. My actions influence how other people act and if I am influencing them in a bad way I should not do that. Mk 16:15-16 says I should send out information about my faith to the world but this influence I am sending out is likely to hurt and condemn them and I don't want that because I love them! If a person could have been saved by not hearing or seeing my influence, such as a Hindu and hearing forces people to make a choice that is more likely to be the wrong choice, then hearing is bad for them. I can choose to stop people from hearing and it may help them. So I will sacrifice my own salvation because I love them! Christ gave us the ultimate self-sacrificing example of true love.



God loves us he gave us the free choice to choose and question right and wrong so that we are not robots and are forced to obey commands we are blind to. But I hate this, I wish he did not give me a mind to think it limits my faith and now I wont go to heaven because I wont share the gospel to the world and there may be no truly self-sacrificing Christians in Heaven.

Is this true, I am stuck?

 

[Pseud]

Point 4 i disagree with. In my eyes, that would be denying God. I could even be pushed to say that it was breaking the first commandment.

 

[wisdom67]

Didn't you post this somewhere else as well?

 

[Lay down all]

i think i disagree on all your points, i'll try to go through them and explain as best i can.

Point 1 God is a fair God all people are equaly special to him none are more valuble. There are millions of people who have never had the chance to hear about God beacause they were not lucky like me to be born in the right counrty at the right time in the histry of the world.

it doesn't matter what country you're born in or what time in history if you truly seek God you shall find Him.

I am to be Gods helper in sowing the seeds in both the good and bad soil.

you can't sow the seed in bad soil, the soil has to be good first, it has to get rid of all the weeds and the rocks, if some one is to accept God they have to repent of all, and truly lay down all so the seed can be placed deep in them and take root and grow from there, where there is nothing in the soil that can stop it's growth.

if someone doesn't receive God over the things of the world then they will go to hell, so even if they never hear His word then they obviously value things of their life higher than God so they are still doomed, do you not want to try to teach them something that can save them from hell.
we live to speak and live His Word, we grow so we can help others, if we think there's no point in helping others then are we really growing, if we think God's Word can not save the soul then have we truly grown in Him.
there are some who won't come to repentence but that doesn't mean we mustn't reach out to them or that with Gods Word we **** them, they choose things of this life above it, even though God gave them their life.

i think all have their chance to seek God, whatever life they live, what age they were born or what country, God made us all, and only God truly knows the hearts of all men.

He truly knows His faithful, and knows who's heart would except Him, so would He let one perish who would love Him with all their heart.

we are to give our lives to God to want to live our lives to please Him, to let Him use us to do His will.
what pleases God more than teaching others His Word that could bring them to Him, what pleases God more than when we've trusted in Him and let Him use our lives for His glorious purpose.
what is loving someone more than laying down your whole life so you can live it to serve God, not serve the lusts you once lived by, but truly dedicating your whole life to God so you can help others, not being under the power of anything of this world, as might hinder you from God, as in something you wouldn't be prepared to give up, or a reason you would reject the Word of God if it comprimised your beleifs you once lived by, or the life you once lived or something you once loved of it.
if we don't lay down all, how can we teach others to.
the world today teaches an opposing view of love to what the Word of God teaches us, but the Word of God doesn't **** anyone, but the word of man does.
we are to live out of love to bring others to the truth, not wanting them to suffer in their sins that would lead to hell.
why do you think hearing the truth would lead someone to hell, that's where they're heading without it, if you help save one soul then it's worth preaching, but if some reject it, you've not sentenced them to death for they was heading there anyway.

 

[fishstix]

Point 4 isn't right. Somehow or another, God will bring that person to a point where they have to make a decision. Even if they die never having heard the Gospel, they will not be guaranteed a spot in heaven just because they weren't told. At one or more times in their life, God will have reached out to them somehow, and if they rejected that then they won't get in, even if you didn't tell them the Gospel. Not hearing the Gospel is not a guaranteed ticket into heaven as a person can reject God without hearing it.

If you tell a person about Jesus and they reject Him, and die still rejecting Him, and end up going to hell, you can be sure that their ultimate destination would have been the same even if no one told them about Him. They would have rejected God somehow, even if no one had ever told them about Jesus.

 

[repentandbelieve]

When we encounter problems or questions we need to seek answers by going to the Bible and prayer rather than through human theology.

John 3:16, perhaps the most well known verse in the Bible, is followed by Jesus saying
"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved".

The message about Jesus is about salvation, not indictment.

The church is Gods appointed agency for the salvation of men. And the obligation rest upon all Christians. Everyone, to the extent of his talent and opportunity is to fullfill the Saviours commision. God has given us light, not for ourselves alone, but to shed on others. If the love of Christ is in the heart it will be manefested in the life.

Everyone who takes the name of Christ should live so that others, by seeing his good works, may be led to glorify their Creator and Redeemer. Friend, this is how we should go about witnessing.

Many have found what they believe are reasons for excusing themselves from rendering the gift of service to God. As represented in the parable, when the master of the house called his servants, he gave to every man his work.

If your daily life is a testimony to the purity and sincerity of your faith, and others are convinced that you desire to benefit them, your efforts will not be wholly lost. The results you may never know until the day of final reward. You may not feel, or know, that you are doing anything great. Dont weary yourself with anxiety about success. Just go forward quietly doing the work that God's providence assigns and your work will not be in vain. Your own soul will be growing more and more into the likeness of Christ, a worker together with God in this life, and thus you will be fitted for a higher work.

 

[Surprised by joy]

It is not Christ who condemns, but the Law, which is already in existence and already applies to everyone. That is in the Bible.
As HeDied4Me has recently explained to me, the doctrine of Pre-destination (which I'm investigating) says that God decides who is saved and who isn't, and therefore what you tell them is not the final word: it directs them to the truth, but cannot save them or send them to Hell!
Read the Bible! That is all I can say. I cannot help you, but God can.
I'll be praying for you.

 

[repentandbelieve]

It is not Christ who condemns, but the Law, which is already in existence and already applies to everyone. That is in the Bible.
As HeDied4Me has recently explained to me, the doctrine of Pre-destination (which I'm investigating) says that God decides who is saved and who isn't, and therefore what you tell them is not the final word: it directs them to the truth, but cannot save them or send them to Hell!
Read the Bible! That is all I can say. I cannot help you, but God can.
I'll be praying for you.

Thats a very good answer. Thanks for the insight and perspective.