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Help for those Depressed ....

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I lost someone very dear to me,he was about your age to suicide because he was depressed. (not just 2 years ago)That's why I hate to hear you talk about whether you live or die the way that you do. He was my nephew who was 22. Just be more positive with what comes out of your mouth,it might even help your outlook on life,ya know.
praying that you have a great day! :wave:



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thanks evie, it is like I don't care in any moment whether I live or die, I know I should care but I dont, when I wake up in the morning i wish it wasn't real I wish I was dead
 
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I'm sorry to everyone that has to put up with me say these things this is just how I feel I wake up every morning and I wish it wasn't happening. I know that what comes out of my mouth controls what happens to me it's just I am powerless to stop it. I don't want to be like this any more. Thanks for your concern Evie. I really don't want to end up like your friend who suicided. I am really in a bad way please pray for me
 
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Evie said:
I lost someone very dear to me,he was about your age to suicide because he was depressed. (not just 2 years ago)That's why I hate to hear you talk about whether you live or die the way that you do. He was my nephew who was 22. Just be more positive with what comes out of your mouth,it might even help your outlook on life,ya know.
praying that you have a great day! :wave:

thankyou for this post Sister .......:hug:
 
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No you have to deal with it... thats how your feeling currently hopefully that will change... do u read the book of psalms?



(John 16:20 NKJV) "Most assuredly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; and you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy.

Is this relevant in anyway? sorrow over sins or maybe sorrow under afflictions given from Gods hand.. for many reasons..


Some things that might help depending on your depression..

Think on positive things, things that are true, honest, just, pure, lovely and of good report (Phil 4:8). Realize that all things do work together for good to them that love the Lord (Romans 8:28). Do not dwell on past unhappy experiences, bad news in the world today, or ways in which life seems to have cheated you. Think about all the ways life has been a blessing to you.


"Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow
to the point of death."
~Matthew 26:38~

So depending on your depression you can relate very much to the LORD and understand deeply many parts in the bible psalms, book of prophets and other parts that some may never really know...

"Since the Lord is directing our steps, why try to understand everything that happens along the way?" Proverbs 20:24

Help someone else who is need. Jesus promised, "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35b). Helping others helps us. Veronica's story at the top of this article illustrates this point. We all need to be needed, to feel significant and to know that we are making a difference. When we help someone we experience the joy of connecting and we learn and grow even as we help.

I think u might already be doign that.. I got it from a site..

Also I hope this site is helpful http://www.biblebell.org/aleph3.html
Im not sure if everything is correct as I am orthodox this is some type of protestant I think not sure which one.. but it seems so when I read it all...

Now I liked this site
http://www.pelagia.org/htm/b02.en.orthodox_psychotherapy.00.htm

and this
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/orthodox_psychotherapy_d_avdeev_e.htm



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I hope I find better...

this comes from http://www.pravmir.com/printer_56.html ... I found it interesting..



The Holy Scriptures tell us that the source of all the maladies of mankind was the "fall." Adam and Eve (Zoe) were created and placed in a Garden of Delight. They were created in the image and the likeness of the God that created them. Adam and Eve lived in a near perfect relationship with each other and all the universe. When they contemplated each other, they saw God himself. They each saw a heart and a soul that were holy, pure and grace-filled; a will fixed on God's purposes; and a mind that shone with a brilliance, and an illumination that was surpassed only by God himself - and unencumbered by the intellect and the reasoning power. It was "the light of the knowledge and the glory of God."

When God breathed into Adam the breath of life, the energy of the Holy Spirit, Adam became a living soul. He was made of much more that the dust of the ground (which constituted his body;) he was also made of the Image and Likeness of God (without having any "divine spark" whatsoever) - he therefore possessed a spirit aspect. Living on the earth, he also lived in heaven, walking and communing with God. Then came the fall.

At this point it is important to know that the soul contains the body - the body does not contain or imprison the soul. The body is within the soul. The soul acts through the body. The fathers say that it is the soul that needs to be cured because of Adam and Eve's disobedience and self - ish act. To understand why this is so, we have to take a closer look at the soul's makeup.

The soul, according the Fathers, has essence and energy (created by God). The essence of the soul is the heart. The energy of the soul is the mind (or the nous). The mind, or the nous, is also the "eye of the heart;" the mind's natural "resting place" is in the heart, at its very core. The nous operates through the thoughts.

Unfortunately, the word "nous" can be very confusing. In the biblical/patristic tradition the nous can define the heart, the soul, or the mind. However, men like Metropolitan Herotheos Vlachos, are doing much to unravel the confusion and the sometimes-cloudy definitions that one encounters when trying to understand the true nature of man according to the Fathers.

So, to avoid confusion, the soul is defined as the spiritual element of man's existence; the heart as the essence of the soul; and the nous (mind) as the energy of the soul which operates through the thoughts, and exists at the heart's very center as the "eye of the heart." The Fathers teach that man is an "unconfused union" of body and soul. They also teach that the center of this union is the heart.

The natural state of man then, when first created by God, was that he enjoyed the vision of God (theoria); his mind (nous) was illumined with the unceasing knowledge of God; and his mind was also united to his heart - at its very center. It was the heart's "eye." Separated from reason, it could concern itself with the thing of God.

At the fall, the nous became darkened and separated from Adam's heart. The mind became identified with the reason and the intellect. Since the mind operates through the thoughts(it is not the thoughts) they began to act in the reason. Because of this, bodily corruption; enslavement to the passions; confused thinking and thoughts resulting from imaginings, fantasies, stimulation of the senses, and a malfunctioning reason, caused a frightening disease - separation from God and physical and spiritual death. The soul needs to be cured. When our savior, Jesus Christ, came, conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the ever-virgin theotokos, He brought the cure - the Church as hospital, and the sacraments and the true ascetic life as remedies.

It can now be easily understood why man suffers from such maladies as depression and also how these maladies can be cured. Man must remove the nous from its unnatural association with the reason and bring it back to its first love, the heart, where it can once again be the center, the "eye."

The nous must be illumined and thereby healed. The reason for this is found in an Old Testament Hebrew word that is translated "mind." The word is KALYAW and it is used for "interior self," "mind," "kidney," "reins." In other words, the nous, like a kidney, is a filter. It guards the heart from any outward pollution that may come into it; and it guards the thoughts and actions from the defilements that arise from within the heart. And like the reins on a horse, the nous directs the human condition to conform to the things of God.
 
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This also comes from the site... I think since you say you are Asperger you might read them :)

In the first instance, knowingly living in such a way that goes counter to the way God wants us to live, there is set up in the conscience an element of conflict and self recrimination. This conflict and self recrimination causes an agitation that vibrates through the mind and into the heart. We then rightly reproach ourselves for the lack of firm intention and true repentance, and we become ashamed at our mode of living. The sadness that results, causes us to think, act, and react in a subdued manner in the presence of men and a Holy God. We then are called "depressed." Our joy, peace, holiness etc., are not able to be expressed. This type of depression moves us to turn from sin to holiness by way of purification (which is the first step in a three-step process of purification, illumination, and theosis). The Fathers teach that the Spiritual Father, the sacraments and the ascetic life provide the cure. In the meantime, we continually acquire greater self-knowledge and a deeper love for a merciful and long-suffering God.

Some Orthodox Christians, however, fail to alleviate this conflict, recrimination, and shame to such a degree, that they despair of ever being able to overcome them or to receive God's forgiveness because of them. They see the situation as hopeless. Even after repentance and forgiveness they cannot believe that God, or their fellow man, can associate with one so depraved. In other words, they have lost their trust in God. The result is despair and despondency. The cure for these afflictions is the same as for the depression just described. However, the Spiritual Father must understand human nature as did the Holy Fathers, and he must be a careful and sensitive counselor.

Yet, in the teachings of the Fathers, one type of that which we may call depression will always remain (especially as we advance in the spiritual life). Listen to the words of Elder Silouan: (Elder Silouan, Moscow, 1994, P. 316).

When the soul is full of God's love, it is from immeasurable joy that it grieves and tearfully prays that the whole world would come to know its master and heavenly Father, neither knowing peace, nor wanting it, until all enjoy the grace of His love.
 
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itsgood said:
I'm sorry to everyone that has to put up with me say these things this is just how I feel I wake up every morning and I wish it wasn't happening. I know that what comes out of my mouth controls what happens to me it's just I am powerless to stop it. I don't want to be like this any more. Thanks for your concern Evie. I really don't want to end up like your friend who suicided. I am really in a bad way please pray for me
it's great that you do tell us how you truly feel ,because it's a cry for help when you say that you wish you could die. Maybe you could get help,I don't think it would not hurt to go and see a Dr. for this.
 
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YOU KNOW? At one point in his life, the great prophet Elijah wished he was dead.He even prayed that God would take his life. He was frightened, exhausted, and fed up with living. (1 Kings 19) But God was not finished with Elijah's life. His greatest achievements and blessings lay just ahead. God is not finished with your life either. He says this to you:
"I know the plans I have for you. I have plans to prosper you and not to harm you. I have plans to give you hope and future.
"If you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me. I will listen to you. Search for Me. You will find Me when you seek Me with all of your heart."(Jeremiah 29:11, 12, 13 - paraphrase)

got it from a site...........................................
 
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mikeforjesus said:
YOU KNOW? At one point in his life, the great prophet Elijah wished he was dead.He even prayed that God would take his life. He was frightened, exhausted, and fed up with living. (1 Kings 19) But God was not finished with Elijah's life. His greatest achievements and blessings lay just ahead. God is not finished with your life either. He says this to you:
"I know the plans I have for you. I have plans to prosper you and not to harm you. I have plans to give you hope and future.
"If you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me. I will listen to you. Search for Me. You will find Me when you seek Me with all of your heart."(Jeremiah 29:11, 12, 13 - paraphrase)

got it from a site...........................................
nicely put! :)
 
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I liked all the things you said in the beginning of this thread,Cy. (Are you really 100? C'mon! :scratch: ) Especially about our mind being like a young child that we need to protect.......several years back, I decided not to read the newspaper or watch the news unless I had a specific intention to intercede for whatever I read. I sort of came to feel that I had no business "feeding" on that stuff, it debilitated me so, unless I was on a mission, so to speak, to change it--otherwise I stayed all away. I don't think I can bear the burdens of the world on my shoulders, I have to leave that to God.

Itsgood, I used to wish I was dead, too--I used to hope I and my kids would die of carbon monoxide poisoning some night so I would be out of this world--I didn't want to leave my babies without their mom, thus the wish that they would go out with me, though I know how terrible that sounds.....BUT, God has brought me up from that place (that was 10/11 years ago). One of my favorite verses that I used to hang onto was, "I would have died, unless I had believed that I would see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living."

Depression really is just like "the valley of the shadow of death" described in Psalm 23, but God does walk with us in the dark places......and walks us out of there, too, in time.

The Word also says, "The prisoner will not die in the dungeon, nor will his bread be lacking." :clap:
 
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