Help a (creationist) brother out?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Dr Georgia Purdom teaches on genetics. She is a creationist. Here is a video link which may help.

Hmm. she has considerable negative press from the scientific community. She's also ranked #329 in the Encyclopedia of American Loons, which doesn't bode well... I found Sensuous Curmidgeon's take enlightening - some wells are self-poisoning

 

[Psalm 27]

Hmm. she has considerable negative press from the scientific community. She's also ranked #329 in the Encyclopedia of American Loons, which doesn't bode well... I found Sensuous Curmidgeon's take enlightening - some wells are self-poisoning

Oh I bet she has. Liars don't like being called out.

Loons? Jesus's own people thought He was out of His mind at one point, so don't thinks she'd be really worried about that.

Mark 3:21 But when His own people heard about this, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, “He is out of His mind.”
:/

 

[Psalm 27]

A few weeks ago, a creationist claimed:

"God placed within each species genetic information which allows the different kinds of plants and animals God created to adapt in various situations and environment."​

I asked for evidence for this claim, no response. I provided a link for a genome database search tool to help this creationist find the evidence he apparently thought existed, to no avail.

Can any creationist provide what your creationist brother was incapable of doing?

Or shall we chalk this u to lame 'winessing'?

'Ask John Mackay' the creation guy

Ask John Mackay | Creation Questions & Answers

 

[Astrid]

Interesting that you can't know exactly what it says failing to open. It allows readers to read it and then blocks it when reading it a second time so as to solicit subscribers.



That is what the article originally says in explaining how those fossilized whale bones got up there on the mountains by rising suddenly from the sea which is the evolutionist's explanation for obscuring the obvious that it is evidence of a global flood.



So you did not know what the article says but now you do? Did you subscribe? I find it dubious when you have a conflicting post within the same post. You are the one that provided me information for why your claims are false.



Prove to me that you read the article by sharing how the evolutionist explained how that fossilized whale bones winded up on that mountaintop in the Andes if it wasn't by how the mountains rose suddenly from the sea? This is an article written in favor of the evolution theory & you wanted proof that it had existed and so it did.

If you are able to read the article after subscribing, then that is your evidence of the Biblical global flood as covering the mountains regardless of the evolutionist's poor attempt for explaining how those fossilized whale bones got up there. Indeed, I read no explanation for how fossilizied land animals were found with them buried together where all they had to do in some places, was bend over and pick them up.

Although they "tried" to explain it away for the Andes, amazing how marine fossils are found all over the world at other mountaintops.

This is false science taking "evidence" but only applying it towards the evolution theory, because seeing it as evidence of the Biblical global flood will only make them lose their funding. You know that they would.

So that's your false science right ]

Sorry, i wrote that in haste, did not state in detail
that your link did not work, but later i just typed in
" whales in andes" and could open it.
Id read about them before.
Here is another article. Scientists solve mystery of mass whale graveyard in Chile

There is much more, in far greater detail, if a person is interested in
clearing their misconceptions.

"Suddenly trapping" is a total misconception.
Your notion about this is 100 percent false.

How whale bones, limestone and shale (from the seabed where they
are formed) and all the fossils in them are pushed up
into mountains is a thoroughly studied and well known
process. The Andes are still growing, as are the Himalayas.
It doesnt happen suddenly.

You might learn a little basic geology jf you want to
know more about it. But i suppose you think k its all lies.

Anyway, i will leave you to your confusion, as you
have revealed your belief that the world scientific
community is intellectually dishonest and will do anything
to try to discredit your chosen reading of genesis.
Some go so far as to think they are minions of Satan.

No book or website explaining basic geology is going
to help you with that.

 

[Astrid]

Did you just call me a surgeon?

Nah. If I used an "s " word to describe your approach
to the understanding of science, it would be. " silly ".

 

[Astrid]

I think he said "Spurgeon".

Haha.
Looked that up.
A spurgeon is a hairy baptist.
Im not that mean.
Am ?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Evolutionists explains that a global flood had to tap that capacity for the explosions in the fossil record "supposedly" deemed by him of having occurred back in the Cambrian period. Although evolutionists argued with me that Gould never said that the global flood covered the mountaintops, yet marine fossils can be found on mountaintops all over the world. So go figure & stop belaboring the obvious.

I see you've been peddling this "a global flood had to tap that capacity" nonsense phrase on multiple internet forums, as have a couple of other people - aliases perhaps? Copy-pasting your own work, or copying others'?

But I see no evidence to show that Gould ever said anything of the sort. I think you, or some creationist website, made it up. Care to prove me wrong?

 

[Astrid]

All fossils are transitional - all populations evolve continually.

No. Gould pointed out that long periods of slow evolution (relative stasis) are punctuated by short periods of geologically rapid evolution. It helps if you read what he actually said - see 'Punctuated equilibria: the tempo and mode of evolution reconsidered' by Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge.

Citation? Got a quote for that?

Citation?

I'm not a geologist, but even I know that severe uplift (orogeny) can create mountains from old seabeds.

I did notice that you failed to directly address my point on the repurposing of fins as limbs - it's quite common among littoral & pelagic zone fish and seafloor fish.

The marine fossils are not buried together ( mixed) with
the terrestrial ones. See the article i linked for hank.

As a stUdent in the USA i studied biology and geology.
On a field trip to Western Nebraska i visited badlands
north of Harrison.
Lots of fossils, from ancient lake bed. Turtles are common,
as are mammal bones.
Nothing unusual about animals dying in or near water.
Bones that wash into a lake will be preserved. Those left
out in the weather will soon be gone. Simple.

 

[SkyWriting]

Belaboring the obvious, are we not?

Evolutionists explains that a global flood had to tap that capacity for the explosions in the fossil record "supposedly" deemed by him of having occurred back in the Cambrian period. Although evolutionists argued with me that Gould never said that the global flood covered the mountaintops, yet marine fossils can be found on mountaintops all over the world. So go figure & stop belaboring the obvious.

Except for lava flows, all rock on the globe is sedimentary rock of some kind.
So most any rock you find was laid down by water in it's past.

 

[Astrid]

I see you've been peddling this "a global flood had to tap that capacity" nonsense phrase on multiple internet forums, as have a couple of other people - aliases perhaps? Copy-pasting your own work, or copying others'?

But I see no evidence to show that Gould ever said anything of the sort. I think you, or some creationist website, made it up. Care to prove me wrong?

Someone sure made it up and is peddling phony baloney
in support of Christianity, which, BTW is a noble faith.
It is deeply shameful to sully it with lies.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh I bet she has. Liars don't like being called out.

Loons? Jesus's own people thought He was out of His mind at one point, so don't thinks she'd be really worried about that.

Mark 3:21 But when His own people heard about this, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, “He is out of His mind.”
:/

Of course she does not like being called a liar.

What you should be trying to learn is how do we know that she is a liar.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Except for lava flows, all rock on the globe is sedimentary rock of some kind.
So most any rock you find was laid down by water in it's past.

You appear to be taking geology for granite. It would be gneiss if you knew more about the topic. But then this whole thread would be up.for gabro if that were the case.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Oh I bet she has. Liars don't like being called out.

I think it's more a case that the scientific community is not well-disposed towards pseudoscience.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Someone sure made it up and is peddling phony baloney
in support of Christianity, which, BTW is a noble faith.
It is deeply shameful to sully it with lies.

This particular individual posting that nonsense was banned - was it something they said?

 

[inquiring mind]

Ignoring the grasping at straws, the speed of light is constant. At least in the observable portion of the universe. Therefore we know the distance to stars and therefore their age.



1. The further we look, the further back in time we can see. Stars have life stages so we know young stars from old ones. All this is known, observable and can be tested against closer and younger stars.
2. Space is expanding. You've heard of the Doppler effect? It can be measured in relation to light as well as sound. It proves it's expanding. So run the clock backwards and you have a universe that started off a lot closer together. Hence the Big Bang. There have been no discoveries or any mathematical models produced or theories proposed that contradict this.
3. See 2.



You can test the expansion of space against all visible objects. Stars, galaxies, clusters of galaxies etc and repeat the observations with different methods on different objects at different distances and for different ages of objects and observe that the answers all agree with each other.



You got something right. It's any combination of a rejection of the belief in gods, a lack of belief in gods or, at a stretch, a disbelief in gods. Although you may get an atheist claiming 'No gods exist', none of those three definitions include a necessity for doing so.

Just like with macroevolution, you have accepted all science as written in stone back to the beginning, everything then as it is now, when all we know and build conclusions upon is ‘what we reason we know and understand.’ I can’t help but think God gets a chuckle out of that.

 

[inquiring mind]

An hour long lecture from an organisation known for dishonest publications is a bit of a time investment right now.

Does she explain the genetic remnants in reminiscent of families in modern animals?

Does she explain how animals genetically varied so quickly into modern animals after the flood?

Does she explain creationist genetic information and if it can be objectively measured?

Like you say, she just had an hour, but Georgia brings cans of wh*p-a*s with her when she comes.

 

[Astrid]

Just like with macroevolution, you have accepted all science as written in stone back to the beginning, everything then as it is now, when all we know and build conclusions upon is ‘what we reason we know and understand.’ I can’t help but think God gets a chuckle out of that.

Anyone who thinks that way is a
complete dimbulb and hasnt the
least idea of what science is or how it works.

If there is a God with opinions on human conduct
we doubt he'd be amused by such a gross insult.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Like you say, she just had an hour, but Georgia brings cans of wh*p-a*s with her when she comes.

You have to be joking. She does not debate because she know whose donkey would be kicked.

 

[inquiring mind]

Anyone who thinks that way is a
complete dimbulb and hasnt the
least idea of what science is or how it works.

If there is a God with opinions on human conduct
we doubt he'd be amused by such a gross insult.

If it bothers you, consider it a metaphor.

 

[Larniavc]

Most English speakers probably know more Japanese than old-English

Hwæt. We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas.

Capiche?

Beowulf sure showed that silly old Grendel!