Hellsing - Christian or Not?

[indonesianpalmtree]

Well, maybe to a Christian, the concept of edification vs contamination.

God bless

 

[Dracil]

I think one thing about Shinji is that, their anti-socialness is also what makes them so great at using the Eva units, since it's used for the AT Fields (at least, that's what I remember/understand from it).

 

[EXILE]

i think it's as christian as can be, while having vampires and stuff. sure vampires aren't in the Bible, but i don't really see anything so bad about it. it's just plain science fiction, i guess. there're no devils, eccept maybe the god of death, but he's easily defeated by our one and only God, furthermore people pray, what's wrong with that? i vote for hellsing - christian.

 

[yusuke urameshi]

Well, maybe to a Christian, the concept of edification vs contamination.

God bless

why does it matter if you are christian or not? i know a christian who has started the hellsing manga and is not offended at all! and just because you are a christian and im a taoist does not meen that i couldnt have the same views!

 

[Blazin4Christ]

LOL, hellsing? Christian? thats like saying the Devil is Jesus' brother! lol

but on the serious side, i used to watch Hellsing, Hellsing is a NC-17 anime for good reasons, and vamps and such, I honestly do not think God is on the Hellsing topic

 

[yusuke urameshi]

LOL, hellsing? Christian? thats like saying the Devil is Jesus' brother! lol

but on the serious side, i used to watch Hellsing, Hellsing is a NC-17 anime for good reasons, and vamps and such, I honestly do not think God is on the Hellsing topic

where did i say that hellsing was a christian manga? and your baptist not christian. i was arguing about strange fundamentslist views. you should pay attiention.

 

[Qyöt27]

Hellsing is a NC-17 anime for good reasons

Actually, the closest equivalent is R, not NC-17. While both have a cut-off of seventeen, parents can give their kids permission to watch R rated stuff, but no one can get a kid into an NC-17 flick. The only anime that actually would be rated NC-17 is hentai. Everything else is just R (well, not everything else, but you know what I mean).

 

[Qyöt27]

and your baptist not christian. i was arguing about strange fundamentslist views.

Well, Baptists are Christians, but 'Baptist' refers to a certain denomination. The core beliefs are the same; it's just the way it's practiced, and certain traditions that other groups of Christians may or may not have.

why does it matter if you are christian or not? i know a christian who has started the hellsing manga and is not offended at all!

It's because some Christians get really uneasy when subjects like vampires and the undead come up. Others don't care about it because they do just view it as harmless fantasy. It depends on how strictly they practice or how fundamentalist their beliefs are. I personally love the Hellsing manga; of course, I also take a decidedly different view on my faith than others, even in my own denomination.

 

[indonesianpalmtree]

i know a christian who has started the hellsing manga and is not offended at all![/QUOTE]

I'm sorry if i seemed offensive. I'm sure your christian friend could watch Hellsing and not feel offended. Some are just more sensitive about the nasty subjects in the anime than others. I merely tried to give a reason for why some christians wouldn't want to watch it and others not.

It depends on how strictly they practice or how fundamentalist their beliefs are. I personally love the Hellsing manga

Please don't say i'm a fundamentalist just because i don't watch certain shows. I love anime too and i can be pretty lenient when it comes to brutal decapitations or disembowelments (to my own disgrace) and enjoy it, but just because we see things as fantasy and even if it's "just a show", it has negative effects.

I have this strange desire, and i think most guys have it too, to enjoy gore and fighting and blood and cheap shots and war...Man, i used to love those stuff, just feels kinda iffy now to be comfortable around seeing someone get hurt for sadistic or senseless reasons. And that's not neccesarily Hellsing.

BTW, i don't think it's wrong to be a strict Christian, but it is harder not to offend someone because they think you're arrogant and ultimately fundamentalist (a word waaay too easily thrown into conversations)

God bless

 

[yusuke urameshi]

Well, Baptists are Christians, but 'Baptist' refers to a certain denomination. The core beliefs are the same; it's just the way it's practiced, and certain traditions that other groups of Christians may or may not have.


It's because some Christians get really uneasy when subjects like vampires and the undead come up. Others don't care about it because they do just view it as harmless fantasy. It depends on how strictly they practice or how fundamentalist their beliefs are. I personally love the Hellsing manga; of course, I also take a decidedly different view on my faith than others, even in my own denomination.

i like you, your the first person to give me the good answer i was looking for. everyone else i have asked has been incomplete or the easiest answer of all,"God WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS". that answer is the most annoying of all. you are truly a person of wisdom and i respect you for that.

 

[yusuke urameshi]

i know a christian who has started the hellsing manga and is not offended at all![/QUOTE]

I'm sorry if i seemed offensive. I'm sure your christian friend could watch Hellsing and not feel offended. Some are just more sensitive about the nasty subjects in the anime than others. I merely tried to give a reason for why some christians wouldn't want to watch it and others not.



Please don't say i'm a fundamentalist just because i don't watch certain shows. I love anime too and i can be pretty lenient when it comes to brutal decapitations or disembowelments (to my own disgrace) and enjoy it, but just because we see things as fantasy and even if it's "just a show", it has negative effects.

I have this strange desire, and i think most guys have it too, to enjoy gore and fighting and blood and cheap shots and war...Man, i used to love those stuff, just feels kinda iffy now to be comfortable around seeing someone get hurt for sadistic or senseless reasons. And that's not neccesarily Hellsing.

BTW, i don't think it's wrong to be a strict Christian, but it is harder not to offend someone because they think you're arrogant and ultimately fundamentalist (a word waaay too easily thrown into conversations)

God bless

things only have negative affects if you let them

 

[indonesianpalmtree]

If I let them? Of course we can all be idealists, but we're not going to be unaffected EVERY time something potentially negative happens to us. If one keeps seeing folks die in brutal ways, you grow accustomed to it. In the end your conscience has a difficult time to differenciate between how it affects you and how it affects others through you.

You grow accustomed to that which you'd find horrible if you are exposed to it long enough.

Only if it affects me negatively? No doubt a person can learn something from Hellsing, but it's gonna be harder to find behind all the blood/livers/heads/pentagrams/teeth...

God bless

 

[yusuke urameshi]

If I let them? Of course we can all be idealists, but we're not going to be unaffected EVERY time something potentially negative happens to us. If one keeps seeing folks die in brutal ways, you grow accustomed to it. In the end your conscience has a difficult time to differenciate between how it affects you and how it affects others through you.

You grow accustomed to that which you'd find horrible if you are exposed to it long enough.

Only if it affects me negatively? No doubt a person can learn something from Hellsing, but it's gonna be harder to find behind all the blood/livers/heads/pentagrams/teeth...

God bless

you must be a weak willed person

 

[yusuke urameshi]

you must be a weak willed person

no offense of course, i would not meen any harm.

 

[yusuke urameshi]

i simply don't let things that have to do with emotion getin my way

 

[Blinky]

While I'm not offended by Hellsing it is not Christian in the least. First off if you look at it Alucard ( the main character) hates Christianity.
He mocks Catholisim and the catholics in it are pretty backwards too.
There's a Catholic Priest who isn't very Catholic and kills non Vampires because they work with Vampires. It's an anime that reckonizes God but in a less than Christian way. Also the way the anime and manga are set up the Catholics are the bad guys and the God hating Vampire is the hero. That's kinda not Christian at all

 

[indonesianpalmtree]

no offense of course, i would not meen any harm

Lol, that's interesting. I am offended by that, but i sympathize your reasons of thinking that - seems i didn't explain clearly enough.

Now before we continue, let me remind you of the no-flaming policy on CF. Alright, glad that's settled.

If you classify me as being weak-willed when i'm not emotionally indestructible, then maybe you could let me in on your Vulcan mindset. All people are affected by emotion. People in the concentration camps were no doubt very brave but some of them can't even speak about it today.

Maybe i should explain why a Christian would find Hellsing offensive. Your philosophy on not letting things influence you emotionally is very admirible and i respect for it. The problem, though, isn't about letting emotion influence me.

From a Christian viewpoint, who do they love the most? Jesus Christ. A Christian loves Jesus more than his/her mother/father/sister/brother/wife/children, and if one loves family so deeply, how much more do we love Jesus?

Now, Jesus is also God - who loves us like a father. Sometime He brings things on our path that is hard to swallow. Sometimes life is easier...but He knows how much we can take. Of course someone who is accustomed to something as violent and blasphemous as Hellsing isn't affected by it, but it does make an impression - even if only subtle.

Let's say you were married to a gorgeous wife and you loved her very deeply. What will you do when someone makes a TV-show about someone who hates her and uses her out of context to openly make fun of her? Will you want to watch it for the storyline or the great effects?

I wouldn't even want it to air. The problem is the world doesn't regard Jesus as a person. That's why a human-rights association or something can sue the TV-show and your wife will regain her dignity to the eyes of humans but no-one listens to the Christian Censorship people.

Alas, someone who has died or whose existence is in doubt isn't always respected. People will look for incriminating evidence against Gandhi or Mother Theresa and today it's even more easier because both have passed away. Jesus is the most respected person who has ever lived for Christians. Thousands upon thousands have died for Him. I doubt anyone who admires and loves Him would want His name and reputation defiled in any way.

So now i ask myself: Can i learn anything admirible in Hellsing? Can i learn any philosophy AT LEAST neutral about life in its entirety? Will it make me happier, or at least indifferent to what it claims?

NO! Although a HUGE part of the anime isn't offensive, an even bigger part is, because of contradiction to our philosophy. It brings up suggestions (not neccesarily with working effect) that the path we walk might miss out on something - be unfulfilled because "good" is portrayed as good which we see differently as Christians.

Christians out there, feel free to watch Hellsing if you want to brand me as intolerant. I'm not condemning anyone who watches this, but i'm entitled to an opinion and i feel i represent the Christians who would rather admire the true, honest, just, pure, lovely, virtuous and GOD PRAISING aspects of everything.

So i say again, you can watch Hellsing and look for the microscopic good things that come out of it. It's only going to be harder.

Do you mind continuing this through PM's rather than open discussion?

God bless

 

[yusuke urameshi]

you've just proved my point lol. you hould not get so worked up

 

[indonesianpalmtree]

LOL , yes look at me getting emotionally unstable.

God bless

 

[indonesianpalmtree]

Actually Yusuke, i have no idea what you mean... how do you see that reply as becoming emotionally unstable?

I was trying to sound patient in my answer and i wasn't even close to worked up. I admire your viewpoint. I was just trying to give mine...

God bless