hello <wave> are you Secular Humanist Atheist?

[ProScribe]

Is Wikipedia a reliable + factual source? . .

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism[/url]

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism[/url]

 

[ProScribe]

In what ways? Be specific.


eudaimonia,

Mark

a) right to freedom of speech
b) right to vote
c) right to demonstrate

A totalitarian dictatorship doesn't allow that.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Your single-sentence posts continue to be virtually incomprehensible, ProScribe...

 

[Eudaimonist]

a) right to freedom of speech
b) right to vote
c) right to demonstrate

A totalitarian dictatorship doesn't allow that.

Yes, secular humanists have different political goals than communists.

You wrote that "secular humanist atheism is relative to a non-religious communist dictatorship".

What is the point of making this comparison? I'm no closer to understanding what your topic-in-mind is.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[SithDoughnut]

a) right to freedom of speech
b) right to vote
c) right to demonstrate

A totalitarian dictatorship doesn't allow that.

Yet secular humanism does. Well done, you've just proved your own argument to be wrong.

 

[ProScribe]

Yet secular humanism does. Well done, you've just proved your own argument to be wrong.

You've just proved that you think you're right.

 

[ProScribe]

What is the point of making this comparison? I'm no closer to understanding what your topic-in-mind is.

sharp differences in -worldview- and -ideology-. (not you) -----> them.

 

[ProScribe]

Your single-sentence posts continue to be virtually incomprehensible, ProScribe...

If it be, one can write short essay paragraph that is a voluminous.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Most of tyhe secular humanists I have met tend to be decent people. It is perhaps unusual for people to take philosophy, theology and ethics seriously, and that is not a bad trait.

 

[Eudaimonist]

sharp differences in -worldview- and -ideology-. (not you) -----> them.

What is your purpose in pointing out that those sharp differences exist? What is this thread really about?

Please, give no less than three paragraphs for an answer.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[SithDoughnut]

You've just proved that you think you're right.

Not at all, you proved that. Of course, perhaps I'm misreading you, because you are being rather vague and unwilling to actually explain anything.

What exactly are you claiming? That secular humanism and communism are similar, or different? Please try to avoid unnecessary formatting and use more than one sentence, because we're not mind-readers.

 

[ProScribe]

Not at all, you proved that. Of course, perhaps I'm misreading you, because you are being rather vague and unwilling to actually explain anything.

What exactly are you claiming? That secular humanism and communism are similar, or different? Please try to avoid unnecessary formatting and use more than one sentence, because we're not mind-readers.

Again; its about worldview and ideology that presupposes the rejection of God -(no - not "gods" equating Polytheistic religions)- and removing God out of government and society is summarized in atheistic thinking and a non-theist approach. So, that being said - atheism is intrinisitically related to certain evils that have happened in -world history-.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Again; its about worldview and ideology that presupposes the rejection of God -(no - not "gods" equating Polytheistic religions)- and removing God out of government and society is summarized in atheistic thinking and a non-theist approach. So, that being said - atheism is intrinisitically related to certain evils that have happened in -world history-.

1. "intrinisitically"?
2. The same can be said about theist thinking and a theist approach, definitely including Christianity.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Again; its about worldview and ideology that presupposes the rejection of God [...] and removing God out of government and society is summarized in atheistic thinking and a non-theist approach.

Atheism isn't a political philosophy. I'm an atheist, and I do not seek to "remove God out of government and society". I do oppose theocracy, but I have no trouble with politicians who are theists. I also do not seek to take religion out of society.

So, that being said, atheism is not intrinsically related to the hostilities of communists.

Are you suggesting that secular humanism is somehow not atheistic because it has such different political goals than communists?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Booko]

If you read -A History of Modern Russia- by Robert Service there there are some instances where a non-religious communist/atheist government (not a smear) wanted to destroy and eradicate the Christians of the Russian Orthdoox Church.

Any religion has the potential to be a power structure vying with The State. It's commonplace for authoritarian groups and/or dictatorships ruling a country to suppress or try to destroy religions, but it has zip to do with theology and everything to do with they don't like competition for power.

Just look at what the Catholic Church did in Poland to organize opposition to the communist gov't there.

Totalitarian gov'ts always fear competition, and for good reason.

There's no message in Russian history about atheism vs. religion, sorry, because the real question is totalitarian gov't vs. any opposition of any sort.

 

[Booko]

Communism is a subset of secular humanism.

I disagree.

Communism is a form of gov't/national organization.

Secular humanism is a subset of philosophy.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Again; its about worldview and ideology that presupposes the rejection of God -(no - not "gods" equating Polytheistic religions)- and removing God out of government and society is summarized in atheistic thinking and a non-theist approach. So, that being said - atheism is intrinisitically related to certain evils that have happened in -world history-.

By this logic, Christianity is linked to the holocaust because Christian churches have historically been anti-semetic (and some still are). So, what's it like being linked to mass murder of Jews?

You're making up links that do not exist. The whole "communism - atheism" link has been demonstrated to be nonsense time and time again, but people insist on bringing it up as if it's a valid argument. One vaguely common point does not make any sort of "link" that is worth bringing up. If I like the same ice-cream as a murderer, does that link me to the murder?

 

[Booko]

Yes, plenty. There are many secular humanist organizations, and I'm certain that a significant percentage of the membership refers to themselves as "secular humanists".

Just one example:

Council for Secular Humanism

Ah, I see what you mean. I have not run into the phrase "secular humanist" much since the 80s, for whatever reason. And back then it seemed more like a U.S. conservative Christian (in the political sense) effort to tar and feather "secular humanist" as if it was something Satanic...which was parallel to an effort to turn "liberal" into a dirty word.

Most of the conversations that I ran across in those days were, um to put it bluntly, rather silly, and many atheists would reject being tagged with a term they believed was made up by a bunch of Christians to make them out to be evil unreliable people, so I never took it too seriously.

That said, there is something to be said for stealing your opponent's thunder from them.

Thanks for getting me up to speed on this bit of history, Mark.

 

[Booko]

I think you don't understand either secular humanism or communism, because they're completely different. It makes no sense to even try to compare them.

There may be a bit of overlap, if there are secular humanists who are subscribe to communism.

I know of one online I've talked to for years, but he often refers to his beliefs as "Jedi."

 

[SithDoughnut]

There may be a bit of overlap, if there are secular humanists who are subscribe to communism.

Of course you can have secular humanists who subscribe to a communist viewpoint, but there are Christian communists too. Overlap does not necessarily make two things comparable.