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Hello, some very serious questions from an Athiest - absolutely NO mocking inside.
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<blockquote data-quote="timewerx" data-source="post: 77385040" data-attributes="member: 314730"><p>Jesus doesn't really tell us to be relentless or desperate in trying to preach the Gospel in the hope of getting someone to believe.</p><p></p><p>In fact, what Jesus said was closer to "give up and get out of town at the first sign of hostility" (towards the Gospel). I think many missionaries have died needlessly bringing the Gospel but in the wrong way and many poor Christianized nations may not be better off. In fact, they became more anti-Christian in behavior like becoming greedy and lovers of money post conversion.</p><p></p><p>Christians who are relentless to the point of being annoying in getting someone to believe ironically don't read their Bibles often enough or else they would know how to behave.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>She doesn't know the Bible enough that the Bible doesn't make such claim.</p><p></p><p>If anything, Jesus would rather have said, "give everything the benefit of doubt". And this doesn't mean we give everything a passing thought under the bias or assumption everyone who disagree with us will be proven wrong eventually.</p><p></p><p>But rather accept the inevitability that one day, we will be proven wrong, again, and again, and again. Is how a real Christian should think. Humility over pride and ego.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If these Christians truly loved your father would they just prayed for him?</p><p></p><p>If one of your kids got seriously ill, would you just pray for him or her? Of course not, you would rush him or her to the hospital and beg the doctors with tears messing up your face, begging them to do their best. If you got no insurance, no money, you'd probably re-mortgage the house, etc just to get things going.</p><p></p><p>If they didn't do these things, they don't really love your dad. It was nothing more than pity and you're right, these are empty, useless prayers. To tell it was "God's Will" makes it even worse because God is probably disappointed at their behavior too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Bible makes no claim it is the Word of God. It's rather the opposite. One of Christ's disciples has said, you could not contain all the teachings of Christ alone in a room full of books. The volume of teaching is way too much to contain in just one book.</p><p></p><p>What Christ Himself promised is the Holy Spirit, not the Bible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The original form of man wasn't the one we know of so well. The original form was more incorporeal and possibly of pure energy. This was before man sinned (and this information wasn't found in the Canon Bible unfortunately).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think there's any Christian interpreting the Bible correctly. Else we would all be in agreement. Unfortunately, we don't.</p><p></p><p>Facts and evidences contradicts claims. As a practice, I have learned to treat my beliefs with suspicion and skepticism. I know there's a God because "luck" doesn't always obey math. There's unseen forces manipulating our very lives, sometimes for good, sometimes for evil.</p><p></p><p>Consciously fight this god, this god of the world (the devil) and your life will be messed up.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We live in a world of hate. This world is hateful by nature. And people figured out to shape religion into the hateful image of this world to justify genocides.</p><p></p><p>The real teaching of Christ in the Bible is we DO NOT force this religion to other people.</p><p></p><p>Those who do or who did in the past were NEVER Christians in the first place because Jesus never taught His followers to behave in such manner. Ironically, the Hopis and the Zunis (Native Americans) are closer to being real Christians than the mainstream flavor of Christians you know of.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="timewerx, post: 77385040, member: 314730"] Jesus doesn't really tell us to be relentless or desperate in trying to preach the Gospel in the hope of getting someone to believe. In fact, what Jesus said was closer to "give up and get out of town at the first sign of hostility" (towards the Gospel). I think many missionaries have died needlessly bringing the Gospel but in the wrong way and many poor Christianized nations may not be better off. In fact, they became more anti-Christian in behavior like becoming greedy and lovers of money post conversion. Christians who are relentless to the point of being annoying in getting someone to believe ironically don't read their Bibles often enough or else they would know how to behave. She doesn't know the Bible enough that the Bible doesn't make such claim. If anything, Jesus would rather have said, "give everything the benefit of doubt". And this doesn't mean we give everything a passing thought under the bias or assumption everyone who disagree with us will be proven wrong eventually. But rather accept the inevitability that one day, we will be proven wrong, again, and again, and again. Is how a real Christian should think. Humility over pride and ego. If these Christians truly loved your father would they just prayed for him? If one of your kids got seriously ill, would you just pray for him or her? Of course not, you would rush him or her to the hospital and beg the doctors with tears messing up your face, begging them to do their best. If you got no insurance, no money, you'd probably re-mortgage the house, etc just to get things going. If they didn't do these things, they don't really love your dad. It was nothing more than pity and you're right, these are empty, useless prayers. To tell it was "God's Will" makes it even worse because God is probably disappointed at their behavior too. The Bible makes no claim it is the Word of God. It's rather the opposite. One of Christ's disciples has said, you could not contain all the teachings of Christ alone in a room full of books. The volume of teaching is way too much to contain in just one book. What Christ Himself promised is the Holy Spirit, not the Bible. The original form of man wasn't the one we know of so well. The original form was more incorporeal and possibly of pure energy. This was before man sinned (and this information wasn't found in the Canon Bible unfortunately). I don't think there's any Christian interpreting the Bible correctly. Else we would all be in agreement. Unfortunately, we don't. Facts and evidences contradicts claims. As a practice, I have learned to treat my beliefs with suspicion and skepticism. I know there's a God because "luck" doesn't always obey math. There's unseen forces manipulating our very lives, sometimes for good, sometimes for evil. Consciously fight this god, this god of the world (the devil) and your life will be messed up. We live in a world of hate. This world is hateful by nature. And people figured out to shape religion into the hateful image of this world to justify genocides. The real teaching of Christ in the Bible is we DO NOT force this religion to other people. Those who do or who did in the past were NEVER Christians in the first place because Jesus never taught His followers to behave in such manner. Ironically, the Hopis and the Zunis (Native Americans) are closer to being real Christians than the mainstream flavor of Christians you know of. [/QUOTE]
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