Hello Daddy, when is the accident over?

[Gottservant]

"Hello Daddy. I'm glad to see you are exactly where I found you again today. Can I sit on your lap for a moment? You're not busy are you? You don't actually get involved with creation now that you've set it going, so I assume you're not busy."

"Anyway, I've been thinking Daddy, since you weren't really sure what you wanted when you created everything, you must have forgotten something when it came to my parents. After all, I was just an accident. Were you keeping some of your power for another day or are you not really God? Anyway, that's not what I was thinking. I was thinking about parents."

"I mean, my parents basically had an accident together and for some reason this meant that I was completely different from them. I know you said to honour them, but if they don't know what they're doing, I don't really have to do I? Its not that I don't want to honour them though, that's not what I was thinking. I was thinking about being a parent."

"I mean, I want to be a parent one day and that means I have to have an accident with my wife. But if I have a baby of my own and he's completely different to me, then, well, what will I need to say to him? And what if he has a baby and they have nothing in common, won't that mean that they won't need us?"

"This is where I got the idea that you must have forgotten something when it came to my parents; you see, if my parents are mine and I don't have to care that you gave them to me, how will they know that you love them? And what about me, how will I know that you still love me? Do you want me?"

"Its hard to tell whether you still want me because when I think of Jesus dying for me on the cross - you know, what the nice old lady told me - he said "It is finished" but if everything evolves, he must have just meant His body. Well if He was only thinking about Himself, what about me? How will I know when I am finished? Aren't I still waiting for the accident to be over?"

 

[theIdi0t]

"Hello Daddy. I'm glad to see you are exactly where I found you again today. Can I sit on your lap for a moment? You're not busy are you? You don't actually get involved with creation now that you've set it going, so I assume you're not busy."

 

[shernren]

This doesn't really belong in the Origins forum. Evolutionists don't believe that everything is simply a "grand accident"; therefore, Gottservant isn't talking about evolutionists.

 

[Dannager]

This is not your own personal LiveJournal, Gottservant.

 

[Assyrian]

This doesn't really belong in the Origins forum. Evolutionists don't believe that everything is simply a "grand accident"; therefore, Gottservant isn't talking about evolutionists.

No I think it is an important point, we have brought it up ourselves too. All that we have been taught about the science of human reproduction contradicts the plain teaching of scripture.

Psalm 139:13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there were none of them.

Science says my parents chromosomes were shuffled and I was dealt randomly one of each chromosome from each parents pairs. God says he knew me before I was made. Obviously the biology of sperm and egg formation is completely wrong. So is the science of how the cells of a foetus multiply differentiate form and grow in the womb. God knit me together. The lengths unbelieving scientist and doctors go to to ignore the Word of God.

So forget all that stuff you learned in Sex Education, I must really write to the schood board about that. Those bits are only for going to the tiolet... Yes Katie's bits too... When you are older and you are married you only need to know your wife. That is what the bible says, not the lies you heard in science class... Thats right, and on uncles Will's television on the channels we don't have. I told you there was a reason we don't watch those channels... When you are married, you just lie with your wife and know her, like the bible says. Just make sure you don't do what those godless biologists say, and you won't have to worry about any accidental babies.

 

[notto]

Strange poetry won't make reality go away (not even if you squint real hard when saying it).

Speciation has been observed. Evolution happens whether you like it or not.

Are you next going to try to wish gravity away? If Jesus ascended into heaven why is there still gravity?

 

[archaeologist]

assyrian's post shows why science needs to stay out of theological issues...

 

[MrSnow]

The OP reminded me of something - I need to go to the store to pick up some apples and oranges.

 

[Psudopod]

I'm fairly sure my parents had sex, not an accident....

 

[Deamiter]

Indeed, why would the act of sex be an accident? And why would random mutations (that exist whether evolution is correct or not) lead a person to think they are "completely different from [their parents]"?

It seems to me that the OP is challenging their own misunderstanding of evolution that claims that nothing has meaning. Perhaps that's even an accurate simplification of the philosophical position atheists like Dawkins hold. But what could it possibly have to do with the scientific, biological theory of evolution?

 

[shernren]

Indeed, why would the act of sex be an accident?

Indeed. From what I've heard it takes a lot of planning to get into either a one-night stand or a sexual relationship of any sort. Hardly the sort of thing to be accidental about.

In any case. The accident ain't over 'till ...

 

[staveoffzombies]

Wait, you're equating "It is finished" with origins theology? Are you just purposely missing the entire point?

 

[random_guy]

I say let Gottservant post all the posts he wants. It only hurts the Creationists movement. It doesn't help that only a few Creationists seem to challenge his posts.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The poll question is interesting.

Whose assumptions should I make if I don't make my own? (OK, I'm being a little facetious.)

Seriously, even if I look at someone else's assumptions and evaluate them and then accept them, it is still me that is accepting them ... and now they are my assumptions.

If I evaluate scripture and determine that they are literally God's words, it is still me that is making the evaluation.

If I accept someone's authority on some issue, it is still me deciding on the value of their authority.

In all cases, I am my own authority -- even if I decide to accept someone else's authority; even if I accept the Bible's authority. If I believe God is speaking to me, I evaluate the words, consistency with experience, and my own sanity. I evaluate my evaluations.

Sure I repent my assumptions -- when they lead me to wrong conclusions.

 

[Melethiel]

I say let Gottservant post all the posts he wants. It only hurts the Creationists movement. It doesn't help that no other Creationists seem to disagree with any of his ideas.

To be fair, there have been a few Creationists that challenged his posts.

 

[random_guy]

To be fair, there have been a few Creationists that challenged his posts.

Oh, I did not know that. I've edited my reply. I think Creationists could really improve their credibility if they implement some form of peer review on the board. When a new Creationist post about how evolution violates the 2nd Law, if all the other Creationists jumped on him, it would really improve their arguments by weeding out the bad ones. Then, we would also have a more coherent idea of Creationism is.

 

[Dannager]

To be fair, there have been a few Creationists that challenged his posts.

Fifteen posts, and nothing but archaeologist tossing in an insult towards a TE.

Yeah, they're on him like sharks.

 

[Melethiel]

Fifteen posts, and nothing but archaeologist tossing in an insult towards a TE.

Yeah, they're on him like sharks.

"Posts" as in plural, not this particular one.

 

[Dannager]

"Posts" as in plural, not this particular one.

Oh, no, I knew what you were referring to. I'm just saying that if those handful of cases are establishing a trend, it's a pretty weak one. We've got a thread right here, ripe for creationists taking care of their own, and the one creationist who has responded really hasn't gone down that road. I want it to be true just as much as you do, but encouragements for it are few and far between.

 

[MrSnow]

To be fair, there have been a few Creationists that challenged his posts.

Like myself, for instance. My previous post was a somewhat sarcastic way of saying that the things he equated had nothing to do with each other (apples and oranges).

I really don't like when people pit evolution against creation, as if they're opposite or mutually exclusive. I am very much a creationist; I believe that God created the heavens and the earth and that all that exists owes its existance God. However, I find no problem with theories that try to explain the history of the universe and of life. If the universe is very old, so be it. If it's young, so be it.

So as a creationist who has a decent layman's grasp on what evolution, plate techtonics, etc. are (and are not), it bothers me to see posts like the OP. Not every person who believes in creation believes that the standard of christian orthodoxy is that the earth is very young. It would behoove the YEC world to get a better grasp of what "secular scientists" actually believe and what their conclusions actually are.

Psa 19:1-2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.

It seems odd that God would tell us that the heavens reveal Him and give us knowledge, but then deliberately make them so that they give us a different story than He revealed in Scripture.