Nihilist Virus
Infectious idea
Here's what's important. The OP defined a topic and you refuse to address it, so you are hijacking the thread. Can we be done?
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It is because you stumble on such things, letting them become what is important to you, and you do not hear what is actually being said and what is important.
We can be done anytime.Here's what's important. The OP defined a topic and you refuse to address it, so you are hijacking the thread. Can we be done?
Sounds queer to me.But gay doesn't denote happiness today as it once did. So if I tell you I am gay today - are you going to assume I am happy today, or that I might be homosexual?
So, let me think. Let's say there are two sinners. Both deserve hell.Your perspective is wrong again and that is why you ask an irrational question. Does a smoker deserve emphysema? Do they think they do? Does the person breaking the speed limit deserve to die? Do they think they do? Does the sinner deserve eternal death? Do they think they do? Can I choose the results of repeatedly banging my head against a wall?
It is indeed rational to expect hellfire if you do not accept the alternative. Did you honestly learn so little in 20 years?
We can be done anytime.
But the thread asks a very important question which many, if not most people, only perceive from the wrong perspective, from a physical perspective. The thread should also include input from the correct (spiritual) perspective. On this topic...it is actually ALL that is important.
...If I may:So, let me think. Let's say there are two sinners. Both deserve hell.
One sinner believes in God and Christ. Another sinner is an atheist.
Are you telling us that God will show only Mercy and no Justice to that sinner who believes in Him and who DESERVES hell? And that God will show only Justice and not a drop of Mercy to atheist sinner who also DESERVES hell?
How does BELIEF make the difference when BOTH DESERVE THE SAME THING - HELL?
Nothing from nothing is nothing. What evidence would there be (could there be) for a lack of eternal life?You want to enlighten us all with your off topic point of view and correct the premise of the OP? OK, how about this: hell doesn't exist, spiritually or otherwise, not even a shred of evidence, you're welcome and discussion over.
We aren't sinners because we sin -- we sin because we're sinners.So, let me think. Let's say there are two sinners. Both deserve hell.
One sinner believes in God and Christ. Another sinner is an atheist.
Are you telling us that God will show only Mercy and no Justice to that sinner who believes in Him and who DESERVES hell? And that God will show only Justice and not a drop of Mercy to atheist sinner who also DESERVES hell?
How does BELIEF make the difference when BOTH DESERVE THE SAME THING - HELL?
Nothing from nothing is nothing. What evidence would there be (could there be) for a lack of eternal life?
Thus is the way of the world, of the physical...but not the way of God.Everything dies. This is a lack of eternal life.
Fish in a barrel...
one year old girl died. please, list all sins she committed in her short life....If I may:
The process, is rather, that all have sinned and are destine for death, live a life-like existence under sin wherein some are chosen out of their fate, and some are not.
Justice occurred TO ALL who sinned. Little children do not sin. You will change my mind about little children if you list sins that little children do.Justice has already occurred [before] we enter into the world
There's almost as many conceptions of hell as there are Christians, but I want to talk about a very specific one, and ONLY that.
So if you believe that Hell is God's absence, or his presence as experienced through the mind of the unregenerate sinner, or annihilation, or a temporary place of purification, or a conundrum to be solved by trusting that a just God would find a way to do the right thing and save all - this thread might not be for you.
The conception of hell that I address here is a place of literal torment, where sapient beings are deliberately sent by God for failing to be as flawless as a deity, and where they'll spend eternity with no chance of redeption or mercy.
To me, such a conception of hell reflects *extremely* badly on the corresponding conception of deity, and no argument from authority ("who are YOU to question an all-powerful being?????") will resolve the matter.
So, if you believe that it is literally impossible for any of us to measure up to God's standard, and we are then punished for it - that's like torturing a dog with a branding iron for its failure to comprehend algebra. Or setting up an eight-meter pit (with poisoned spikes at the bottom) for people to jump over when you *know* they'll never get further than 6 m.
And I'm sorry, but basically extending a pardon to all who wave the right party membership card doesn't solve the moral dilemma here, either, because people are still being sent to Cosmic Auschwitz.
In short: how do you manage to reconcile this belief with anything remotely resembling justice?
1) You misunderstand. Less is more. She was born into a world of sin, and her short life in the world is mercy upon mercy, taking her sooner and shorting her affliction.one year old girl died. please, list all sins she committed in her short life.
Justice occurred TO ALL who sinned. Little children do not sin. You will change my mind about little children if you list sins that little children do.
So, if Justice is for ALL who sin then Mercy is also for ALL who sin.
I have here before -- and I'll pass doing it again.please, list for me sins of 2 weeks old infant or 1 year old child.
Jesus also was born in the world of sin of sinful mother.1) You misunderstand. Less is more. She was born into a world of sin, and her short life in the world is mercy upon mercy, taking her sooner and shorting her affliction.
2) It is not that little children sin, but that they are the children of sin. They are born of sinful parents into a world of sin.
This conception appears to be the biblical one and I hold to that. It really does not bother me cause I and my family are not going there. It saddens me that those who resist the gospel may go to hell. The people hell seems to trouble as an instrument of Gods justice are mainly those who have doubts about where they are going. If someone is sent there by God as the devil will be then they deserve to be there and in a sense their lives have asked for that. God is just , God is good and He does not force His love on those who do not want it. Given the horrors of hell I do not understand why anyone would focus their lives on that rather than the love of the Divine.
It is a common misunderstanding. The history of the world is not the collective stories of the saved and the unsaved...but is His story. There is only One begotten (born out of the world into the kingdom of heaven). His story includes His many generations, His children, those who are One with Him. It also includes His foes, those whom hate Him. Only One survives...and it is finished.Jesus also was born in the world of sin of sinful mother.
I still do not see an answer to my questions: why some sinners will have only Mercy and some sinners will have only Justice?
Why not BOTH - Justice first and then Mercy.
First smoker suffers and dies from illness he/she deserved(consequence) then Mercy.
Is God only Mercy for some and only Justice for some?
What difference does BELIEF make?
Is that not a horribly selfish sentiment? Can this be reconciled with the greatest commandment as laid out in the New Testament and its parables? "Who cares if my neighbours burn: everyone I *really* care about is on the save side."It really does not bother me cause I and my family are not going there.
In light of the above sentiment, this sounds more like a shrug than any real concern for the well-being of others.It saddens me that those who resist the gospel may go to hell.
My concern is not based on selfish fears, and I would feel the same way if I believed in all of this and was entirely certain that I (and my loved ones) would end up in heaven.The people hell seems to trouble as an instrument of Gods justice are mainly those who have doubts about where they are going. If someone is sent there by God as the devil will be then they deserve to be there and in a sense their lives have asked for that. God is just , God is good and He does not force His love on those who do not want it. Given the horrors of hell I do not understand why anyone would focus their lives on that rather than the love of the Divine.
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