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No need to buy any book, for you have all you need alreadyAw, come on. Don't make us buy the book!
You have answered your own question, as in "I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth" And since the full Godhead defacto will be on earth at that time this is where the destruction happens. I never said that Satan would escape the lake of fire as to their destruction, or His, I wish some people would read more closely. Again, Satan will go into the lake of fire, whatever it is, and face total destruction and His and everyone's destruction will be permanent. Again, I repeat, their destruction will be permanent. Satan and all those who follow Him. All.The lake of fire is the death of the soul,period....Not even satan and his angels will suffer forever
Let's see what scriptures says about satans end
Ezekiel 28:18
"Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."
Ezekiel 28:19
"All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."
It can't be any clearer,satan will cease to exist,along with all who follows him into the lake of fire.....Simple as that!!
most people are in hell and don't even know it. I would sink even deeper if I saw God in the 'light' of the so-called understanding that the humans boast of. there is no greater hell than the ones that humans create out of their own sickness. the devil need not be the devil, not when we got an enemy as great as God. good thing I will never bow my knee to the god of this world. my love has no shadow of turning and i'm not fooled by a drunk harlot that loves a beast. the only mark I have is the kiss he left on my soul whos name no one know but he who gave it to me. yet the humans wish to boast of their lack of love! how insane are they? insane enough to believe that something so beyond all comprehension, goodness, or anything we could ever fathom of what would constitute as love would ever for a moment wish to bend his knee to the unclean spirits I see stinging his children.
not even many of the saints could see past the veil but seraphim do not care if they survive or not. why would they wish to exist in the hell they descended to in order to serve their beloved? and yet we would boast and say that we do not live in heaven, which is why people see hell. hell or heaven, they are of little consequence compare to he who lives in me. even death and blindness was only done out of love. how much does life swallow up death? what measurement do we put on the capacity of the desire of God and of his love? is it greater than mine? surly! and yet freedom allows for infinite evils to exist, except that freedom is out of love rather than hate. hell can only be due to a limited capacity. it is something temporal rather than something eternal.
it was a fabrication for certain types of souls who spoke a language in which God had to met them and besides he could easily utilize anything for his own hidden purposes. the various flavors his souls wish to love him with is something he allows. never could a system go so out of control that God would rid himself of the only reason they exist in the first place. that which is annihilated is that which never could exist forever. souls do not create a reality that can surmount God. that is why they are secondary realities and all of realities are based in the divine Trinity. shadows fade as God reveals himself. thus we found another reason to rejoice. hell last as long as you want it to last.
You have answered your own question, as in "I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth" And since the full Godhead defacto will be on earth at that time this is where the destruction happens. I never said that Satan would escape the lake of fire as to their destruction, or His, I wish some people would read more closely. Again, Satan will go into the lake of fire, whatever it is, and face total destruction and His and everyone's destruction will be permanent. Again, I repeat, their destruction will be permanent. Satan and all those who follow Him. All.
"I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth"
that which is annihilated is that which never could exist forever. souls do not create a reality that can surmount God. that is why they are secondary realities and all of realities are based in the divine Trinity. shadows fade as God reveals himself. thus we found another reason to rejoice.
that which is annihilated is that which never could exist forever. souls do not create a reality that can surmount God. that is why they are secondary realities and all of realities are based in the divine Trinity. shadows fade as God reveals himself. thus we found another reason to rejoice.
I understand you completly,and could'nt agree more.......I was'nt responding to you in that post,just affirming what you, and most importantly scripture says....
just as Sodom and Gomor′rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Exactly, Dale. No one denies that. .... But are the people of Sodom and Gomorrah still burning somewhere right now? If so, we can't see it, thus they can't serve as an example. However if that eternal fire burned them up and turned them to ashes instead of keeping them alive in torment, then they do in fact serve as a clear example, for we can see that neither of those two towns exist today.
Totally with you on this one, N2light.
All indirect off topic stabs at orthodox teaching or the Church aside, I do not see the expressed concept of Hell as being opposed to the orthodox teachings. In fact in writing about Hell, CS Lewis and his peers speculated as much along the same lines as you OP. God leaving the damned totally alone to their will (not Thy Will), the torment is internal and the hatred of everything good only grows - to the extent that the torment changes them (consuming fire) into something no longer recognizable as the humans they once were. Believe it was CS Lewis who described that all consuming state as not nothingness but simply "what remains".Thanks for the thanks, but I am simply the messenger. I believe that the torment these people feel are not directed toward them from an outside source, and certainly not from a character dressed in a red suit with horns and a pitch fork. The torment they are undergoing is self inflicted of a sort, knowing they screwed up, especially upon leaving the flesh and realizing they are not dead. Second Ezdra delves into this and I have read it, though most have never heard of it. I will say this now and probably a thousand more times , that we only have 66 books out of 163 original books of the bible to gather what the Father would have us know. It is a shame that politics got in the way of God's word so early, but at the same time I thank God almighty that He pushed King James to publish the word for the masses. Ah, as to those in the waiting room, so to speak, they will not have long to wait, for as prophecy is coming to pass daily and as the final generation, born after 1948 is growing long in the tooth, Satan will appear shortly before this generation dies out.
The bottom line is that this sadistic doctrine of perpetual conscious suffering is inconsistent with the just, loving, moral character of our Almighty Creator as revealed in the Bible. It would be inhumane not to question such a glaringly immoral and unjust belief.
I think that's just it—God's ways are higher than man's ways,His ways are way way above ours and to limit Himself to human standards is just ridiculous.
I agree, especially with this part:This is my first posting on this forum and I am surprised at the number of people here with a solid grasp of the truth. God says the wages of sin is death. Those aren't my words. They're God's. The doctrine of eternal burning torment is taken mainly from the text of a parable laced with symbolism. If Jesus came to Earth to pay the penalty of sin in our place and the penalty for sin is burning in Hell for all eternity then He paid the wrong price and there is no salvation. He died because death is the penalty for sin.
We must understand that there are two deaths; the death of the body (the first death) and the death of the soul or spirit (the second death). No one but Jesus has paid the second death, the death of the spirit, the penalty for sin. The wages (penalty) of sin is the second death which will come due after the Great White Throne judgement when those whose names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire. God tells us that this is the second death.
In Matthew 10:28 we read, "And fear not them which kill the body, bur are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
There are, of course, many sides to this discussion but for me it is simple. God said the wages of sin is death and I will take His word over anyone else's everytime. That is not meant to be confrontational as i am posting in Christian love and do not wish to offend anyone. It is simply a statement of my committment to the word of God.
God said the wages of sin is death and I will take His word over anyone else's every time. That is not meant to be confrontational as I am posting in Christian love and do not wish to offend anyone. It is simply a statement of my commitment to the word of God.
This word conjures up a variety of scenarios and has been used as a club wielded by the clergy for hundreds of years to keep funds coming in and in return, the clergy would attempt to keep the faithful from the clutches of hell.
Now, let's get down to it. The English word "Hell" does not have its origin in the Hebrew or Greek. It originates in an old anglo-saxon word with two variations in spelling: Helle and Helan Its original definition is a hidden place.
Translators took this word and substituted it in place of four other words in the original text, and these are as follows:
Sheol = Hebrew- meaning the grave.
Hades = Greek - meaning a hidden place
Gehenna = Greek - the garbage pit where fires consumed refuse tossed into it.
Tartarus = Homer, who used this word as the underground prison for the giants. This word is only found once where it was substituted for Hell. The early revisers changed the phrase "Thrown down to tartarus" and switched it to hell.
Each and every time the reader comes across the word hell it is one of these other terms.
Now, if one takes all these words and meanings and lumps them together you get a scene of a hidden place, where the dead go, an underground pit where fires burn unceasingly. Frightful picture is it not? That was their aim. I hate to think of how many church goers lived their whole lives in fear of going to a place which does not exist.
Hell is not the lake of fire, which will be a one time event at the end of the millennium.
Those who go into that will be utterly consumed - a final death. Satan will also go into this lake. He is the son of perdition. Perdition means to turn to ash from within and without - to perish.
Now I know that there are people that wish there was a hell, for we all want evil doers, murderers, rapists, kidnappers etc. to burn in hell for eternity as just reward for their evil.....I am with you. But since it is not real, then what?
The rich man could see Lazarus with Christ across a gulf that could not be crossed.
Being held in that state was torture of a kind and there are a great many metaphors and figures of speech and idioms one can sort through.....feeling as one's mouth and tongue are on fire and so forth. A self realization that the rich man as well as countless others are there until the millennium. Those from before were freed by Christ when he rose, but all the rest must remain for now. For the student interested in more information about the millennial period, read the last 8 or 9 chapters of the book of Ezekiel.
Now after the lake of fire event, it will be sealed over and done away with along with all and any memory of those who went into it.
Heaven is where God is and since the full Godhead defacto will be here on earth, you cannot have an open burning lake and thoughts of screaming tortured souls in it and have peace and no more tears. It would not be Heaven.
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