Hell

[Nanopants]

Thank you for being so honest and thank you for opening up about how you really are.

And just so you will not feel bad, but you are just like all of us as we all think these things but you are brave enough to say so and I believe Jesus says to confess your sins and you will be forgiven.

I would rather go in front of God saying what you have said than to say I have never thought these things.

Not only have you confessed but you have proven that God is not a liar. Everybody else is calling God a liar by saying they never think or say these things.

No, you do not need help, those who have never confessed need help.

If it's good to confess one's faults so that he doesn't turn a blind eye to it, then it's good to confess one's murderous intent toward people with whom one disagrees with, rather than carrying on with slander and accusation, and turning a blind eye to it.

 

[r0keye]

Thank you for being so honest and thank you for opening up about how you really are.

And just so you will not feel bad, but you are just like all of us as we all think these things but you are brave enough to say so and I believe Jesus says to confess your sins and you will be forgiven.

I would rather go in front of God saying what you have said than to say I have never thought these things.

Not only have you confessed but you have proven that God is not a liar. Everybody else is calling God a liar by saying they never think or say these things.

No, you do not need help, those who have never confessed need help.

Thank you bro. I can only be this honest because of the grace and mercy of the Holy Spirit! All glory to God!

All this discussion of hell is stupid unless we realise our own wretchedness. The story Jesus told is what is going on here:

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector


To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

 

[MehGuy]

I used to believe in hell when I was a child and a teenager.

Sometimes the fear was too much. Eventually I grew out of it. Now I find the idea of hell to be silly.

My father always told me 90%-95% of humanity was going to burn in hell.

 

[Nanopants]

This is why God puts the authorities in place I believe.

Romans 13:1 - Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

So many people have such a glowing view of themselves, they don't realise that it is generally their upbringing that is what causes them to be obedient, not their 'goodness'. Ask any person raised in a mob family.

Why does this bother you? Is there something good about wanting people to be terrorized, miserable or in despair?

Mark 10:18: "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.” -Gen 15:1

... this is His name by which He will be called:
THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. -Jer 23:6

 

[Nanopants]

Thank you bro. I can only be this honest because of the grace and mercy of the Holy Spirit! All glory to God!

All this discussion of hell is stupid unless we realise our own wretchedness. The story Jesus told is what is going on here:

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector


To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Note that the tax collector did not consider himself to be elect, or chosen, like the pharisee, and that he was concerned with himself, not others, like the pharisee.

 

[PrincePurpleRose]

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[r0keye]

Do you think it is loving or not to warn people that they are deceiving themselves into thinking they are good and are going to heaven?

Read the following passage and ask yourself: Was Jesus being loving here?

The Rich Young Ruler

17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20 And he said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up.” 21 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.
23 And Jesus, looking around, *said to His disciples, “How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 The disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus *answered again and *said to them, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 They were even more astonished and said to Him, “Then who can be saved?” 27 Looking at them, Jesus *said, “With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.”

 

[PrincePurpleRose]

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[Nanopants]

I do not fully understand what you are saying but I guess you could say that.

God has told us that we do have hate in our harts and that we do have murder in our harts.

I do not believe that there is not one single person here who does not think about killing somebody that wronged them in the past as they lay at night for sleep.

I know as I lay at night that on occasion I think of ways I can murder somebody who wronged me.

Then, to you I would also suggest therapy. This isn't healthy, or good for anyone. If your church is encouraging the thoughts or behavior, I would suggest leaving.

I would never act on those thought and I do not even need laws to keep me in order as I know Jesus does not want me to do these things but that does not keep me from thinking them.

I will say right now that the laws of this country do not keep me in line but it is the fact that God will one day judge me that keeps me in line as nothing I do will escape what He can see and I do need Jesus to save me from my wrongs.

How is he supposed to help you if you reject the idea that it's possible to get better?

 

[Nanopants]

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[Nanopants]

Do you think it is loving or not to warn people that they are deceiving themselves into thinking they are good and are going to heaven?

Read the following passage and ask yourself: Was Jesus being loving here?

The Rich Young Ruler

17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20 And he said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up.” 21 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.
23 And Jesus, looking around, *said to His disciples, “How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 The disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus *answered again and *said to them, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 They were even more astonished and said to Him, “Then who can be saved?” 27 Looking at them, Jesus *said, “With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.”

I don't see him terrorizing frightened people here. That he concluded with "with people it is impossible" is consistent with what I'm saying.

 

[r0keye]

I don't see him terrorizing frightened people here. That he concluded with "with people it is impossible" is consistent with what I'm saying.

Do you think the rich man was terrified at the thought of selling all his possesions, giving his money to the poor and following Christ?

Or more terrified at the thought that his lust for money and riches were separating him from God for eternity?

 

[Nanopants]

Do you think the rich man was terrified at the thought of selling all his possesions, giving his money to the poor and following Christ?

Or more terrified at the thought that his lust for money and riches were separating him from God for eternity?

It does not say he was terrified. Further, have you sold all of your possessions? Are you separated from God for eternity because you haven't? I think you're reading into the passage something that isn't there.

 

[r0keye]

It does not say he was terrified. Further, have you sold all of your possessions? Are you separated from God for eternity because you haven't? I think you're reading into the passage something that isn't there.

No I haven't sold all my possessions. But I don't really care about them that much, because I'm not rich like this guy was. Every one struggles with different sins, please don't miss the context.

However, I have had to give up much of what I was clinging onto for so long - bitterness, resentment, wanting revenge on those who bullied and hurt me, my sexual sins (porn, lust, wanting to sleep with the hottest girls I came across), and of course, my pride.

What have you given up?

 

[Nanopants]

No I haven't sold all my possessions. But I don't really care about them that much, because I'm not rich like this guy was. Every one struggles with different sins, please don't miss the context.

If context disproves my arguments then context can be provided to disprove my arguments, otherwise, it doesn't

Both the young man and Christ provide the relevant context: the young man wanted to know what he must do to inherent the kingdom/eternal life and Christ's explanation for his answer is that it is impossible.

However, I have had to give up much of what I was clinging onto for so long - bitterness, resentment, wanting revenge on those who bullied and hurt me, my sexual sins (porn, lust, wanting to sleep with the hottest girls I came across), and of course, my pride.

So you're asexual? Fair enough. I don't believe that's necessary for salvation.

What have you given up?

Is this some sort of contest?

 

[PrincePurpleRose]

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[r0keye]

If context disproves my arguments then context can be provided to disprove my arguments, otherwise, it doesn't

Both the young man and Christ provide the relevant context: the young man wanted to know what he must do to inherent the kingdom/eternal life and Christ's explanation for his answer is that it is impossible.

Sorry, I see that the explanation is that the young man wasn't willing to give up his treasure to follow Christ.

So you're asexual? Fair enough. I don't believe that's necessary for salvation.

Not asexual. Just a change of mindset from porn and 'sleeping with the next hottest thing' to a season of singleness and purity, preparing for lifelong marriage with one woman.

Is this some sort of contest?[/quote]

No, but I would love to hear your testimony!!

 

[KitKatMatt]

Does wearing underwear of the opposite sex concentrate the evil thoughts or something?

 

[PrincePurpleRose]

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[PrincePurpleRose]

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