Hell what is it ? Howe dose it look like ?

[mrzero]

Can someone please explain me everything they know about hell ?

Thanks in advance.

 

[ForeverChristian]

It is described in Hebrews as a Lake of Fire

 

[armothe]

Can someone please explain me everything they know about hell ?
Thanks in advance.

It is such a wide and mysterious topic I doubt many people know everything about it.

It does, however; need to be stated that Hades or Ground is different than Gehenna or Lake of Fire.

Hades was a resting place for souls. Gehenna and the Lake of Fire was more of an eternal separation, torture or destruction designed for judgment.

Greek culture, along with the church began to merge the two concepts into a single realm.

-A

 

[Benoni]

The word hell is pagan in origin.

There are other translations like the Companion Bible King James Version, American Standard Version (1901), the Newberry Reference Bible (Still published by Kregal Publications), and the Riverside New Testament by Ballantine (1934) which contain footnotes, marginal readings and appendages which point out that several key Greek and Hebrew words regarding Hell have been MIStranslated by such Bible versions as the King James Bible. I have a list of Bibles which show the translations that contain the word Hell as well as the ones that don’t in the text is NOT exhaustive--we are discovering more translations all the time in which the translators did not feel justified in using the Teutonic pagan word Hell to translate the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek words Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus.

The word is not in the Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic the language the Bible was written in; but it comes from an Angle Saxon word “hel” meaning to bury. It is more then a mis-translation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to in introduce the Teutonic pagan word

Tar-ta-rus(tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des(hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about haft of scriptures as hell, the other haft as grave

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the gospel. This is the word the fundamental preachers love to use to burn up the sinner. They are the first to yell foul if something does not fit in context; BUT: Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem; a place of constant burning of refuge. Those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of God’s people. (how precious is this a type of purification outside of God’s holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified bf God’s holy judgment. This word is used not for sinner, murders or liars; it is used with the word “BROTHER”.

Matthew 5:22

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.


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Gehenna is not physical flames, even though Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. Gehenna Judgment is actually spiritual in nature, it is the reaping of what Isreal had sown by killing the prophets and their children in the fire to Molech and Baal at Topheth and in the Valley of Ben Hiddom (later called Gehenna). God warned that He is the only God, there is no other like Him.

 

[Benoni]

God’s Word is a hidden word and to find its secrets you got to dig beyond the letter that killeth. Take the Lake of Fire.

I believe every word that the Bible says about the lake of fire; I don't believe what Rome says about it, nor what the apostate Churches say about it, nor what tradition says about it; but I certainly believe what the Bible says about it.

The teaching concerning the lake of fire does not appear anywhere in Scripture except in the book of Revelation where it is spoken of in the following passages: Rev. 14:10-11; 19:20; 20:10; 20:13-15 and 21:8. This last passage definitely states, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolators, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." There should be no question remaining as to the certainty of this lake of fire; neither should there be any doubt as to the awful consequence of having to be cast into it. These Scriptures with their dreadful foreboding should be a fearful warning to all unthinking and foolish people who, because of their love for the world, the flesh, and the devil, have dared to ask why we should serve God now if all are going to be saved eventually. Such people have no love for God nor fear of God, and they manifest by what they say that their professed serving of God is only a pretense, arising - not from any true love for Him - but from fear of punishment. If there were no prospect of hell these would promptly tell God to go to hell and they would, themselves, go to the devil. It is not thus with those who truly love God, for they serve not from fear, but from pure love and devotion. Remove punishment completely from the universe, and they would still serve God with all their hearts.


FIRE is the heat and light that you feel and see when something burns. It takes heat to start a fire, but once the fire is started it produces heat that keeps the process going. Thus, fire is really HEAT and LIGHT.

In my study of the lake that burns with fire and brimstone I was very much helped and impressed by the understanding given by Charles Pridgeon and I would like to quote from his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE. He says: "The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire. The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.' Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.' The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it" -end quote.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Notice in this passage that God in heaven is not mentioned at all, it is Abraham that is mentioned in heaven, so who was Jesus talking to? The Sadducees? and was he using their own beliefs in eternal hell, or heaven with Abraham, to illustrate a point? I'd never noticed this before, until it was pointed out to me.. so this is the passage that is most commonly quoted in support of eternal hell. Is eternal hell-fire just? I don't think so. We are talking total destruction.. they no longer exist..

The Rich Man and Lazarus 19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' 31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

 

[Hagnismos]

Can someone please explain me everything they know about hell ?

Thanks in advance.

The understanding of hell is not fully revealed until the New Testament. The Jews understood some notions related to death as simply lying in the ground 'Sheol.' Isaiah 55 however suggests that souls of the wicked never ceased to be tormented. He talked of a worm that does not die. It's an icky picture to think about. Jesus made reference to Gehenna, which was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem where there was always fires burning. That also is not a real pleasing idea, that the souls of the damned are like refuse cast out of God's Holy City. Lake of Fire is mentioned by Jesus in Matthew and Mark as a place that was prepared for the devil and his angels, and for the goats in the sheep and goats parable. Jesus also talks about the 'outer darkness' where there willbe weeping and gnashing of teeth. This one really get's at me. I just imagine this sense of being so alone with those worms that cannot die and that fire that cannot be quenched and not seeing one ray of light to assure that the most hideous thing you can imagine is not looking over your shoulder. There is no way that anyone in their right mind should want to go to hell. It is definitely not a party, as far as we know the devil is not the ruler in hell he is an inmate in an eternal prison of solitary confinement.

there is ateaching that says that Hades and Paradise are layover spots where good and bad souls go to wait the final judgment. There are passages in the gospels that suggest this and I don't see any reason to doubt that interpretation. However, in the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man Jesus suggests that death is the last point of decision. The man who found himself in Hades could not get Lazarus to come over with even a drop of water from Paradise to ease his pain, neither could he get a message out of Hades to help anyone who was living. Jesus said, 'If your brothers won't believe Moses and the prophets miracles will not help them.' (paraphrase)

I feel a sense of sadness when I see that Jesus used the name Lazarus in that parable. After he had raised his beloved friend from the dead the pharisees and chief priests (most of whom were rich men) conspired to kill Lazarus and did. Imagine the temptation to vengeance Jesus had to overcome as he saw both his cousin John and his friend Lazarus killed during the time of his ministry. He was afterall fully human and fully God, He felt the pain of it as any of us would.

 

[VictimofChanges]

To expand on the "what is it?" question...

WHERE is Hell? (or Heaven for that matter)

WHERE is it?

 

[Hagnismos]

To expand on the "what is it?" question...

WHERE is Hell? (or Heaven for that matter)

WHERE is it?

That it exists, both heaven and hell, Hades and Paradise is clear from the Bible. As for where I will talk about the ideas I have heard but other than it being a spiritual place, I don't think the Bible tells us 'where.'

In fact I can't really be certain that our minds can concieve of it. 'In my Father's house are many rooms.'

The standard teachings I have heard is that there is the first heaven (which is basically the sky or earth's atmosphere), the second heaven which is where the clouds are and the stars and moon (it is an old testament concept), then the third heaven which is beyond all things, a completely spiritual place. Of that last place some suspect Paul had a vision though he would not refer to himself in the discussion.

'I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man--whether in the body or aprt from the body I do not know God knows -- was caught up into Paradise, and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.' 2 Corinthians 12:2-4

By that account Paradise and the third heaven are one and the same. I suspect that you mean something other by your question though, like where physically is it? And philosophically, scientifically it is an intersting question.

I'll ramble on about it for a bit. We live in a world with three dimensions and a fourth time dimensions that appears to have only one direction forward. Debates about the possibility of time travel from theological perspectives are not the point here.

I cannot see the moment that is coming, or the moment that is past, did the last exist and will the former come? Yes. There exist places in the universe which we cannot see with our physical eyes typically and that we cannot go to. This is a great boundary of science. I even doubt that if the built the largest supercollider imaginable so they could get within 10^-2000 of second before the 'Big Bang' that the bubble chambers would turn up anything that God feels is threat to the bottle he has placed us in. Other than a righteous death (one that God ordains) we can but glimpse those hidden realms as the man Paul spoke of did. It definitely is true that God uses spiritual things to edify and encourage his saints. Do all have such experiences? No, only those who need them or want them. Some actually don't. Remember Jesus saying 'more blessed are they who will believe without ever having seen Me.'

So, I think the answer is that heaven is some place other than the physical world that we live in now. That said I see evidence in the Scriptures that the veil between the physical world and the spiritual world is sometimes allowed to be removed when it suits God's purposes (see 2 Kings 6:8-23.) Some spiritual realms are intimately related with the physical world, so that angels might actually be watching us though we are unaware.

I hope that helps. I find the teaching on heaven and hell to be interesting and important, but not that easy for believers today because we consider ourselves the children of 'modern science.' That is completely the wrong way to approach it. The way to approach it is with faith and to know that 'Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, and it has not entered into the heart of man, all that god has prepared for those who love Him.' 1 Corinthians 2:9

 

[hlaltimus]

Personally, I don't think that anybody alive has truly, properly and fully seen either hell or heaven, although no doubt many have been given legitimate visions of both by God for the benefit of those people and us as well. These visions of hell, I believe, are vastly scaled down in their intensity by God for the protection of the one viewing that horrible abode as they, the viewing parties, would be permanently, mentally disabled otherwise. This doesn't make a vision of hell of no value though, only imperfect in it's representation and therefore non-binding upon us, unlike the testimonies of hell found in the Holy Bible which are truly perfect and quite binding upon us. Other than what the Holy Bible then tells us about hell, all other testimonies are strictly empirical in nature, or, based upon fallible, personal experiences in contrast to verifiable evidence. On one occasion the Lord did grant me at least one vision of hell, but I won't share that here as this probably isn't the proper forum for it and it is too terrible to mention anyway. For a personal visionary description of hell though, I would recommend the testimonies of The seven Columbian youths who were shown both hell and heaven and is found in numerous places on the internet. Just query "The seven Columbian youths hell heaven" and you won't have any trouble at all getting there. I don't think that either they or myself, though, fully and properly saw hell...Only a scaled down and imperfect visionary glimpse of it.

Do anything necessary...Anything, to avoid such a terrible and horrible place. Words cannot accurately describe such unspeakable, hopeless and unfathomable misery.

 

[Benoni]

The Lake of Fire is not Hell.
Hell is a pagan word

 

[DArceri]

Instead of Hell being thought of as a physical fire, can it be an unquenchable fire OF THE ETERNAL SOUL of sinful passions for refusal to accept the grace of God's righteousness? Will God give man over to his desires forever (ie. to the point of passions never being satisfied)? Scripture speaks of hell as AN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST THAT IS NEVER SATISFIED. Can God give man over to his lusts for eternity? Just like drugs create an addiction for more and more, stronger and stronger drugs, can hell be eternal torment of the passions in ones life? THE FIRES OF PASSION THAT ARE UNQUENCHED WOULD BE ETERNAL TORMENT (where the worm never dies) !!!! Doesn't God give us over to the lusts of our hearts if we deny Him? Wouldn't this be a justifiable judgement of unsaved souls at the Great White Throne?..... JUST A THOUGHT!.... BTW, Make no mistake about it, any judgement handed out by God will be justifiable.

 

[Benoni]

Instead of Hell being thought of as a physical fire, can it be an unquenchable fire OF THE ETERNAL SOUL of sinful passions for refusal to accept the grace of God's righteousness? Will God give man over to his desires forever (ie. to the point of passions never being satisfied)? Scripture speaks of hell as AN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST THAT IS NEVER SATISFIED. Can God give man over to his lusts for eternity? Just like drugs create an addiction for more and more, stronger and stronger drugs, can hell be eternal torment of the passions in ones life? THE FIRES OF PASSION THAT ARE UNQUENCHED WOULD BE ETERNAL TORMENT (where the worm never dies) !!!! Doesn't God give us over to the lusts of our hearts if we deny Him? Wouldn't this be a justifiable judgement of unsaved souls at the Great White Throne?..... JUST A THOUGHT!.... BTW, Make no mistake about it, any judgement handed out by God will be justifiable.

Will God punish the wicked; yes; BUT....First of all hell comes from a pagan word and is not in the original language of the Bible. There are four words that are mistranslated hell; those words hell should be really looked at closely. Men cannot accept the grace of God because they are dead in trespasses and sin; God must draw them first by His grace.

All these statements (by eternal hell-fire preachers) may be a show of oratorical eloquence, but they are nothing more. They hold no part of truth. They deny every attribute of God. They make wisdom foolishness, turn eternal love into exasperated hate, make omnipotence helplessness, and make the justice of God the grossest injustice in the universe. To say that I believe in such repugnance would be a lie of the first order. I do not believe it because it is contrary to the nature of God. It is contrary to the love of God. It is contrary to the justice of God. It is contrary to the power of God. It is contrary to the Word of God and it puts God in the ridiculous position of being the almighty King of kings and Lord of lords yet having dominion a vast pocket of hate and resistance that even He cannot overcome. Further than this it makes the mighty sacrifice of Christ that was made for all the world to be almost impotent in its power and scope. Worst of all, it frustrates the purpose of God laid down in the beginning when He said, 'Let us make man in our image and after our likeness.' Some will immediately ask me whether I do not believe in hell. My answer is very definite on this point. I most certainly DO BELIEVE in hell, but the hell of the Bible and the hell of human tradition are not the same thing at all. The hell of tradition is hopeless and eternal, while the hell of the Scripture like every judgment of God is corrective, remedial, and restorative."

 

[DArceri]

The hell of tradition is hopeless and eternal, while the hell of the Scripture like every judgment of God is corrective, remedial, and restorative."

Sounds almost like a combination of 'universalism' mixed in with the Catholic concept of purgatory. Ok, so please explain what the hell of Scripture is then. Are you saying the hell of scripture is not an eternal separation from God? Sorry, but Jesus never said such a thing when he spoke. Out of the twelve times the word gehenna is used in the N.T., eleven times it came from the mouth of Jesus and He described it basically as eternal. Not once did He describe it as 'corrective', 'remedial', or 'restorative' in nature.

They deny every attribute of God. They make wisdom foolishness, turn eternal love into exasperated hate, make omnipotence helplessness, and make the justice of God the grossest injustice in the universe. To say that I believe in such repugnance would be a lie of the first order. I do not believe it because it is contrary to the nature of God. It is contrary to the love of God. It is contrary to the justice of God. It is contrary to the power of God. It is contrary to the Word of God and it puts God in the ridiculous position of being the almighty King of kings and Lord of lords yet having dominion a vast pocket of hate and resistance that even He cannot overcome.

Ahh yes,the typical argument. Our God could never allow eternal suffering to happen. The typical error of using only two attributes of God, ie. 'love' and 'mercy'...... However, the one attribute that is THE MOST OVERIDING ATTRIBUTE of God's character is the word HOLY. Listen, a Holy God cannot be near anything unholy. If man dies denying Christ and His being, then Christ says he will deny him to the Father. 'Hell' exists because unbelievers are eternally guilty and never washed in Christ's blood (ie. declared righteous in His eyes). Without Christ, no human being's suffering could ever be payment for sin. All the human goodness and suffering from the beginning of time could not cancel so much as one single sin. Listen, I have no clue what is pagan or what is not, but there is one thing I do know, and that is what Jesus spoke of in scripture. Jesus spoke of 'denying' and 'not knowing' anyone who did not come to Him in faith AND obediance, and He spoke of an ETERNAL separation from Him at the time of judgement.

 

[Benoni]

Sounds almost like a combination of 'universalism' mixed in with the Catholic concept of purgatory. Ok, so please explain what the hell of Scripture is then. Are you saying the hell of scripture is not an eternal separation from God? Sorry, but Jesus never said such a thing when he spoke. Out of the twelve times the word gehenna is used in the N.T., eleven times it came from the mouth of Jesus and He described it basically as eternal. Not once did He describe it as 'corrective', 'remedial', or 'restorative' in nature.

I am Christian Universalist could be that is the reason it sounds that way; see I believe God’s Word is spirit and life, not carnal and literal. Any thing spiritual Christians avoid as if was a disease of some type. Now that you mentioned purgatory you brought up a good point; see the Greek word for fire is (pur) to which we our English words pure, purge, purify and yes even the Catholic word purgatory.

Gehenna: that is one of those Greek words I spoke about and you are right it was mentioned about a dozen times in the NT to include our Lord and Savior of the whole world; who used it the majority of tim

Yes; the preachers love to burn people up; BUT what does the Bible say reference this word? Gehenna: They missed one little fact: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem; a place of constant burning of refuge, dead bodies, human flesh (not the people).

Those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of God’s people. How precious is this a type of purification outside of God’s holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified by God’s holy judgment. Notice there is nothing mentioned about the heathen, the sinners (unless you are a brother) heathen, unjust; instead the verses address “brother”.

Matt. 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.

Eternal/Everlasting/Forever

A careful study of the Greek word “aionios” (translated as “eternal,” “everlasting,” and “forever and ever” in our English translations) shows that it comes from the Greek noun “aion” which always means “an indeterminate period of time.” It is a most unfortunate thing that the translators of old chose to translate “aionios” from the Latin language rather than the Greek from which the word is derived. God’s punishment will not last forever as is commonly taught, but will only last for the ages and only UNTIL God’s purpose for it is complete.

Eternal, eternity, etc. is not actually found in origianl Scripture though in some aspects applied through inference of propositions. The problem is that the Greek words which were translated to "eternal" actually do not translate properly in English because there is no word in English which translates it properly. In this case, the word is "AIONIOS" and it is a descriptive adjective which just means "of, or in, or belonging to, or coming from, or resmbling, or befitting the AION.

AION is a noun meaning, "A period of time, or perpetuity of time, or definitive age, or unbroken age." It simply means an age with unknown measure which can be indefinitive or definitive.

So literally the word "AIONIOS" being translated as "Eternal" would more accurately be defined as "agely"; however since "agely" is not a real word, that leaves the English language without a literal translation for the word "AIONIOS".

 

[Benoni]

Ahh yes,the typical argument. Our God could never allow eternal suffering to happen. The typical error of using only two attributes of God, ie. 'love' and 'mercy'...... However, the one attribute that is THE MOST OVERIDING ATTRIBUTE of God's character is the word HOLY. Listen, a Holy God cannot be near anything unholy. If man dies denying Christ and His being, then Christ says he will deny him to the Father. 'Hell' exists because unbelievers are eternally guilty and never washed in Christ's blood (ie. declared righteous in His eyes). Without Christ, no human being's suffering could ever be payment for sin. All the human goodness and suffering from the beginning of time could not cancel so much as one single sin. Listen, I have no clue what is pagan or what is not, but there is one thing I do know, and that is what Jesus spoke of in scripture. Jesus spoke of 'denying' and 'not knowing' anyone who did not come to Him in faith AND obediance, and He spoke of an ETERNAL separation from Him at the time of judgement.

I already address the word eternal and I have plenty more against the word eternal, everlasting and forever from the Catholic Latin language, not the original Greek. Sure God is going to punish (prune/chastise) the wicked; that is scriptural.

Yes God is just, God is righteous, God is wrathful, God is jealous, and God is Glorious. God is not a monster, God is a balanced God, you mention judgment; there is no justice is eternal torture.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

\1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Yes God is Holy, and His fire (purify) all flesh, it will burn it up totally, it will annihilate the flesh of all men be their believers now (cloven tongues of fire); or later in the Lake of fire; (fire is fire) but not the people. God is holy, but sorry God created Adam’s sin and God is omnipresent where ever sin exist; God is there.

David declared in: Ps 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. KJV

How can a spiritual dead man know anything but death; they are dead, as dead as my great, great, great grandfather Adam. God told Adam he would die; but death did not happen physical until Genesis 5:5 and Adam was 930 years old. But no Adam died spiritually right then and there. A spiritual dead man is dead to spiritual things, dead to God’s grace; he is dead and cannot choose salvation.

God’s is a just judge.

 

[DArceri]

I am Christian Universalist could be that is the reason it sounds that way

Yes, I could tell by your statements and I did not want to label you a Universalist until you stated it. Well, If you have issues with the word eternal or everlasting, I guess there is nothing I can say then. Good luck with all your definitions and theories.

 

[Benoni]

Yes, I could tell by your statements and I did not want to label you a Universalist until you stated it. Well, If you have issues with the word eternal or everlasting, I guess there is nothing I can say then. Good luck with all your definitions and theories.

No you are the one with the definitions and theories that is all you have; nothing spiritual and nothing divine. I debated with a Muslin a few weeks ago and he was just like you except he had a book of fiction called the quran not the Bible. He lost the debate because all he had was words; just like you. If I am so wrong show me; finish what you started. I debate with scriptures as well as the language of the Bible, divine principles, patterns not creeds and dead dogmas. I do not have issues with eternal and everlasting; the issues are in a corrupt religious system that has changed God's Word and is so blinded by their false religions they cannot even have the ability to stand up for what they believe; because there belief system is totally based on dogma not truth.

In/with/Christ George

 

[Benoni]

Actually you are the false prophet; notice the content of the verse.

2 Peter 2:1 ​

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.​

Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

This is what you are preaching not me; notice what the Greek says the false prophets bring. Do they bring the message that God will save all; do they bring the good news of salvation to the whole earth.
NO, No, No.............

They bring damnations,false judgments, destruction of billions and billions of God's creation, Billions will perish etc.

Your whole doctrine centers on damnations, eternal torture, and the pagan word hell; no brother you are the one who will be judged. You are the one preaching heresies of damnation; not me.