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I don't think you will find any verses to support that all are saved and there is no Hell.

Obviously, those who do not believe Hell is real have never read their Bible. I take that back . . . they may have read it, but it is not their benchmark for truth.
 
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Thanks for the message, HowardDean. In the modern Christian context, it is important to remind people that God is real.

God will not forgive non-Christians.
He will not pardon them.
He will not love them.

Instead, he will punish them.
He will take vengeance upon them.
He will torment them.
He will bring evil upon them.
He will destroy them.
He will repay them with revenge.

He will take away their joy and hope and replace it with anguish and terror:

Jeremiah 15:6-8 (New International Version)
You have rejected me," declares the LORD. "You keep on backsliding. So I will lay hands on you and destroy you; I can no longer show compassion. I will make their widows more numerous than the sand of the sea. At midday I will bring a destroyer against the mothers of their young men; suddenly I will bring down on them anguish and terror. "
 
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sorry, can't think of it on hand but the verse talking about the Day of Judgment when God will separate the goats & the sheep, the goat who didn't help God through helping the sick & poor while the sheep kept God's commandment and helped the poor & sick. i'm pretty sure the book of Revelation has a verse that you can use. after all, it's book of prophecy.
 
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Hell is not a popular doctrine, but it’s true.

When people no longer believe in hell, they promptly make this world into place of torment. Edward Coleson

The word "hell" (gehenna) occurs in the New Testament twelve times -- eleven on the lips of Jesus. It is not a myth created by dismal and angry preachers. It is the solemn warning of the Son of God who died to deliver sinners from its curse. We ignore it at great risk. John Piper

When we preach on hell, we might at least do it with tears in our eyes. Dwight L. Moody

The poor dunce who says, "If I go to hell, I'll have plenty of friends," will be forever shocked to find that in hell nobody will have any friends! Everyone will be the eternal enemy of everyone else. William Deal
 
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T.T.O.:I'm getting these verses from a NLT Bible Concordance...

BIBLE:
MURDER-
(Matt 5:22 NIV) "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgement. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca' (An Aramaic term of contempt) is answerable to Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

T.T.O.: "That is a definate referance to hell, agree?"

BIBLE:
PETER'S CONFESSION OF CHRIST
(Matt 16:18 NIV) "And I tell you that you are Peter (Peter means rock), and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades (Or hell) will not overcome it."

T.T.O.: "HM."

BIBLE:
SEVEN WOES
(Matt 23:33 NIV) "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"

T.T.O.: "I saved this verse for last because it is so simple, of course Jesus is not speaking of snakes going to hell. The main point is the part 'condemned to hell'. So to the people who believe that no one will go to hell are surely wrong. Only God's salvation can save us from that fate, if they can not see this I encourage them to read what the Bible has to say. I could go into far greater depths than I have, but this is really a simple topic and I do not believe it is neccessary. Here's one more verse to top the cake...

BIBLE:
FALSE TEACHERS AND THEIR DESTRUCTION
(2 Peter 2:4 NIV) "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in gloomy dungeons to be held for judgement;"

T.T.O.: The key part to look at here is the words "did not", and the reason he did not cast these angels who sinned into a fiery pit in hell shows how sovereign He is, how merciful He is to His people. We are all sinners correct? Jesus died on the cross to wash away peoples sins did he not? That doesn't mean however that we are all going to make it to heaven. Since we all sin, it is up to us to get down to the bottoms of our souls to walk with Christ so that we can better ourselves, to be like Christ, will most of us ever end up like Christ, sinless? No probably not, but God sees our efforts he hears our prayers, he hears our cries for forgiveness, that is why he is merciful. He hears our praises, he hears the worship, that is why he is sovereign. To the sinner that just straight up lives in the flesh, and indulges in sinful things... well... read Revalations.
...Remember though Jesus was a friend of sinners, he walked with the wretched, and talked with the prostitutes, he will surely hold His arms out to you.
...I hope this helped. There are more verses on hell, but i didn't find it neccessary to go there. Grab a concordance if you want more referances or just send me a PM. God bless.

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T.T.O.:I'm getting these verses from a NLT Bible Concordance...

BIBLE:
MURDER-
(Matt 5:22 NIV) "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgement. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca' (An Aramaic term of contempt) is answerable to Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

T.T.O.: "That is a definate referance to hell, agree?"

BIBLE:
PETER'S CONFESSION OF CHRIST
(Matt 16:18 NIV) "And I tell you that you are Peter (Peter means rock), and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades (Or hell) will not overcome it."

T.T.O.: "HM."

BIBLE:
SEVEN WOES
(Matt 23:33 NIV) "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"

T.T.O.: "I saved this verse for last because it is so simple, of course Jesus is not speaking of snakes going to hell. The main point is the part 'condemned to hell'. So to the people who believe that no one will go to hell are surely wrong. Only God's salvation can save us from that fate, if they can not see this I encourage them to read what the Bible has to say. I could go into far greater depths than I have, but this is really a simple topic and I do not believe it is neccessary. Here's one more verse to top the cake...

BIBLE:
FALSE TEACHERS AND THEIR DESTRUCTION
(2 Peter 2:4 NIV) "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in gloomy dungeons to be held for judgement;"

T.T.O.: The key part to look at here is the words "did not", and the reason he did not cast these angels who sinned into a fiery pit in hell shows how sovereign He is, how merciful He is to His people. We are all sinners correct? Jesus died on the cross to wash away peoples sins did he not? That doesn't mean however that we are all going to make it to heaven. Since we all sin, it is up to us to get down to the bottoms of our souls to walk with Christ so that we can better ourselves, to be like Christ, will most of us ever end up like Christ, sinless? No probably not, but God sees our efforts he hears our prayers, he hears our cries for forgiveness, that is why he is merciful. He hears our praises, he hears the worship, that is why he is sovereign. To the sinner that just straight up lives in the flesh, and indulges in sinful things... well... read Revalations.
...Remember though Jesus was a friend of sinners, he walked with the wretched, and talked with the prostitutes, he will surely hold His arms out to you.
...I hope this helped. There are more verses on hell, but i didn't find it neccessary to go there. Grab a concordance if you want more referances or just send me a PM. God bless.

YBIC,
J
Atheists accuse God of torture when it comes to this doctrine. I have not come to a complete conclusion about whether or not any being created by God will be tortured by eternal fire or not, as only He would be able to judge the appropriate judgment for His own creation. However, this article is very convncing and explains where some Greek words have been made to look like they intend eternal when they mark a specific time in which a task is to be completed - such as "eon". A link at the end gives the full study.

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished." 2 Peter 2:9.

Answer: There is not one single soul in hellfire today. The Bible says that God reserves, or holds back, the wicked until the day of judgment to be

When will sinners be cast into hellfire?
"So shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire." Matthew 13:40-42. "The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48.

Answer: Sinners will be cast into hellfire at the great judgment day at the end of the world--not when they die. God would not punish a person in fire until his case was tried and decided in court at the end of the world. Nor would God burn a murderer who died 5,000 years ago 5,000 years longer than one who dies and deserves punishment for the same sin today.

Where are sinners (who have died) now?
"The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28, 29. "The wicked is reserved to the day of destruction." "Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb." Job 21:30, 32.

Answer: The Bible is specific. Both the wicked and the righteous who have died are in their graves "sleeping" until the resurrection day.

What is the end result of sin?
"The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23. "Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." James 1:15. "God ... gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16.

Answer: The wages (or punishment) for sin is death, not everlasting life in hellfire. The wicked "perish," or receive "death." The righteous receive "everlasting life."

What will happen to the wicked in hellfire?
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelation 21:8.

Answer: The wicked die the second death in hellfire. If the wicked lived forever being tortured in hell, they would be immortal. But this is impossible, because the Bible says God "only hath immortality." 1 Timothy 6:16. When Adam and Eve were driven from the Garden of Eden, an angel was posted to guard the tree of life so that sinners would not eat of the tree and "live for ever." Genesis 3:22-24. The teaching that sinners are immortal in hell originated with Satan and is completely untrue. God prevented this when sin entered this earth by guarding the tree of life.

Bible Clear--Wicked Obliterated
The Bible says the wicked suffer "death" (Romans 6:23), will suffer "destruction" (Job 21:30), "shall perish" (Psalms 37:20), will "burn" up (Malachi 4:1), "shall be destroyed together" (Psalms 37:38), will "consume away" (Psalms 37:20), "shall be cut off" (Psalms 37:9), "shall be slain" (Psalms 62:3). God will "destroy" them (Psalms 145:20), and "fire shall devour them" (Psalms 21:9). Note that all of these references make it clear that the wicked die and are destroyed. They do not live forever in misery.

When and how hellfire kindled?
"So shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man ... shall cast them into a furnace of fire." Matthew 13:40-42. "They went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." Revelation 20:9. "The righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner." Proverbs 11:31.

Answer: At the end of the world, God Himself will kindle hellfire. As the holy city comes down from God out of heaven (Revelation 21:2), the wicked attempt to capture it. At that time, God will rain down fire from heaven upon the earth, and it will devour the wicked. This fire is Bible hellfire.

How big and hot the fire?
"The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10

Answer: Hellfire will be just as big as this earth because it will be the earth on fire. This fire will be so hot as to melt the earth and burn up all "the works that are therein." The atmospheric heavens will explode and "pass away with a great noise."

How long will the wicked suffer in the fire?
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12. "And then he shall reward every man according to his works." Matthew 16:27. "That servant, which knew his lord's will, and ... neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes." Luke 12:47, 48.

Answer: The Bible does not tell how long the wicked will be punished before receiving death in the fire. God does specifically state, however, that all will be punished according to their deeds. This means some will receive greater punishment than others, based upon their works.

Will the fire eventually go out?
"Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it." Isaiah 47:14. "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth." "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Revelation 21:1, 4.

Answer: Yes, indeed, the Bible specifically teaches that hellfire will go out and that there will not be left "a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it." The Bible also teaches that in God's new kingdom all "former things" will be passed away. Hell, being one of the former things, is included, so we have God's promise that it will be abolished.

Is God a Torturer?
If God tortured His enemies in a fiery horror chamber throughout eternity, He would be more vicious and heartless than men have ever been in the worst of war atrocities. An eternal hell of torment would be hell for God also, who loves even the vilest sinner.

What will be left when the fire goes out?
"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts." Malachi 4:1, 3.

Answer: Notice the verse does not say the wicked will burn like asbestos, as many today believe, but rather like stubble, which will be burned up. The little word "up" denotes completion. Nothing but ashes will be left when the fire goes out. In Psalms 37:10, 20, the Bible says the wicked will go up in smoke and be completely destroyed.

There is mu h more that goes in and examines the original Greek words a this site: http://www.bibleuniversity.com/University/PrintLesson.asp

http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Book.asp?SelLang=en&ID=51
 
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God will not forgive non-Christians. He will not pardon them. He will not love them.

While I clearly believe that Hell is real your rubric leaves out the sticky problem of those that have never heard of Christ. This clearly isn't as much of an issue in the Western world but there are many, many places that the Good News has not reached. Are these individuals damned through no fault of their own? Many Christian traditions have no problem stating that God, hopefully, will show His mercy on still-born babies and / or very young children that die a tragic death. This mercy, for whatever reason, is not extended to those that have not heard through no fault of their own.

It seems as though folks would rather damn the ignorant that they do not know rather than the dead baby....and I have yet to really see a satisfactory answer by those that proclaim so....
 
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God will not forgive non-Christians.
He will not pardon them.
He will not love them.


(Rom 5:8 NASB) But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

God would love for sinners to accept the forgiveness already accomplished on the cross for them.
He would love to pardon them.
He does love them.

Finally at the judgement He will judge with fairness as only He knows how. But He will not torment them, nor torment them forever.
 
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I used to have a pretty traditional (Dante-ish) view of hell, but when I started realizing just how much God actually loves me, I could no longer belive that God would actually condemn anyone to eternal torture. Whatever anybody may deserve, it's not eternal torture.

I'm not too sure what hell is though. And it doesn't matter too much to me. If I need to lean on hell to be motivated for anything, or in order to motivate others, I have a weak gospel.

I do believe that God is just, and if he'd treated me like I deserved, well... while it may not be eternal torture, it still doesn't sound too appealing...

I think we get to choose between grace and justice. I opt for grace.
 
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(Rom 5:8 NASB) But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

God would love for sinners to accept the forgiveness already accomplished on the cross for them.
He would love to pardon them.
He does love them.

Finally at the judgement He will judge with fairness as only He knows how. But He will not torment them, nor torment them forever.

Christ's atonement which is the actual work, for whoever believe. If your sins are paid for already by Jesus and you go to hell because you are not a believer, then that’s double jeopardy. While it is TRUE that Christ died on the Cross for EVERYONE !! The atonement basically means whoever Believe in Christ will not perish and those who do not believe in Christ will NOT get the benefit of Christ's atonement. Christ's purpose to die for everyone but the atonement is only limited to those who accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior.

1 Peter 3:17-22 It is better, if it is God's will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Forgiveness have already completed, now the both parties are to focus on restoration. It takes same two people to restore a relationship of two people. Not one. Just as God forgave us. But in order to restore our relationship with God from eternal death, we are to repent and acknowledge God and Jesus so that we can have eternal life. God ALREADY FORGAVE..... now He is WAITING for those to REPENT so that the relationship can be RESTORED between two people. God and the Believer.
 
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I hope this is the right forum for this (if not, like that nice poster always says forgive me).
Some people actually believe no one will go to hell and all will be saved.
I disagree!
Can you give me the biblical verses which show this is so?




Do you want to know what and why they believe or just comment on what they believe. Because they are not allowed to defend their views up here but only down there........in the unorthodox area.

If you really want to know what those you are talking about believe why ask up here where they are not able to tell you. All you will get is answers from folks that pretty much believe as you do.

Why not go to the unorthodox area and ask them? (Perhaps you didnt know they cannot support their view up here though)

If I want to know how to put oil in my car I dont ask my someone that doesnt know, I ask someone familiar with putting oil in cars.

If I wanted to know why some dont believe in a hell I would ask those who dont not those that do.

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(Rom 5:8 NASB) But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

God would love for sinners to accept the forgiveness already accomplished on the cross for them.
He would love to pardon them.
He does love them.

Finally at the judgement He will judge with fairness as only He knows how. But He will not torment them, nor torment them forever.


I'm sure the OP meant "at the final judgement of the end of the world." When those without the blood of Jesus will be judged according to their sin. The wages of sin is death.
God assigned the Holy Spirit (Himself) to teach and spread the Gospel all over the world....Hbr 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

The fact is : For whosever believeth shall be saved.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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To know that there are plenty of texts without prophetic imagery that tell us about hell and judgment. Why do false religion want to bring up symbolic texts that should not be literally interpreted?
Peter teaches that the earth will be destroyed by fire..
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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If the dead will rise then why kill them again? Reply: The lake of fire is not the grave. It will will not estiguish nor burn away those who enter therein.

Did Jesus get His endtime prophecy wrong about His greatest enemy?
What did Jesus plan for the devil and his angel in the end?
Mat 25:41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


What does John mean in Rev 20:1-15?
Rev 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.



Rev 20:15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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While I clearly believe that Hell is real your rubric leaves out the sticky problem of those that have never heard of Christ. This clearly isn't as much of an issue in the Western world but there are many, many places that the Good News has not reached. Are these individuals damned through no fault of their own? Many Christian traditions have no problem stating that God, hopefully, will show His mercy on still-born babies and / or very young children that die a tragic death. This mercy, for whatever reason, is not extended to those that have not heard through no fault of their own.

It seems as though folks would rather damn the ignorant that they do not know rather than the dead baby....and I have yet to really see a satisfactory answer by those that proclaim so....
I'm not so sure that this isn't a problem in the Western world. I find many people who have been exposed to Christianity, and even grown up in churches, who have never heard anything that resembles the Gospel.

I knew a woman who learned in church that Jesus died for her and she was now obliged to live up to his standards. He will be coming back soon to judge the world, and she could only be saved through the blood of Jesus, and so we each have to do everything that we can to make sure that we live up to his standards. To be fair to the church, I don't know what they preached, but that's what she got out of it.

Then she met a Wiccan who taught that the supreme power in the universe is love, and that we are supposed to love other people out of gratitude for the love we've received as a free gift. She thought that sounded more truthful than the message of divine wrath and perpetual guilt that she had learned from her church, so she became a Wiccan.

So when she became a Wiccan, she actually was closer to the Gospel than she had been when she was in a church--a church, mind you, that held to all the fundamentally orthodox creedal statements. And, of course, she wasn't much interested in hearing about Jesus; she'd heard enough about Jesus and how he was coming to judge her to last a lifetime.

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Good post. People that can't reconcile a Good AND All-Powerful God that would send people to eternal torment, become Universalists. It is wishful thinking. I wish no one would go to Hell. It is the most unimaginably horrible place ever to exist. No one should want to see anyone go there. But it does exist.

In my opinion, if Hell didn't exist, Life would lose a lot of structure and meaning. If i can live however i want and EVENTUALLY i will be won over by Christ (whether it's in purgatory, hades, or hell), there isn't much incentive to live for Christ. I can live for myself on this earth and then when my short earthly existence is over (70 years approximately) i will just eventually be overcome by God's grace. So it's a win-win.

That is not reality, just wishful thinking.

I'm gonna check in the unorthodox forums for other posts like this before i post recommended reading and Scripture that says hell exists and it's eternal. Good questions though :thumbsup: .
 
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I used to have a pretty traditional (Dante-ish) view of hell, but when . .I started realizing just how much God actually loves me, I could no longer belive that God would actually condemn anyone to eternal torture
Whatever anybody may deserve, it's not eternal torture
I'm not too sure what hell is though. And it doesn't matter too much to me. If I need to lean on hell to be motivated for anything, or in order to motivate others, I have a weak gospel.

I do believe that God is just, and if he'd treated me like I deserved, well... while it may not be eternal torture, it still doesn't sound too appealing...

I think we get to choose between grace and justice. I opt for grace.

I am sorry, but we cannot measure God's justice through our own limited reasoning and knowledge.

God is outside of the realm of this world...and as Our Creator, and a truly Divine Being, His justice is not for our measurement, nor our speculation on what He can or will do.

He said He would eternally torment the wicked [sinners], where the worm never dies....
And Christ said it is better to cut out our eye than have it lead us to Gehenna.

IE, it is a very real, and very seriously painful torture that nothing in this worldly life should be held onto...but rather we should remove that which leads us to sin so we are not to fall into this place.

It would seem, by stating that Christ was not being truthful, we are taking our own ideas and demanding this be God's way.

Christ didnt lie, and He was quite serious.

*Although we dont have to literally cut our eyes out, the message is showing how serious it is to sin and go to hell.
 
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I hope this is the right forum for this (if not, like that nice poster always says forgive me).
Some people actually believe no one will go to hell and all will be saved.
I disagree!
Can you give me the biblical verses which show this is so?




Do you want to know what and why they believe or just comment on what they believe. Because they are not allowed to defend their views up here but only down there........in the unorthodox area.


Why not go to the unorthodox area and ask them? (Perhaps you didnt know they cannot support their view up here though)
Why is that? They are still allowed to post in Christians Only section, yes?
 
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