Hell is a correctional jail

7angel said:

People think; if one goes to hell, it will never leave there, this does not have sense.

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense

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It would, but don't people go to hell because they don't want to change? If they wanted to be with God, they would have accepted salvation....but they are dead but don't want to be made alive. I don't see hell as just some punishment, God still loves them, they are just not seeing or accepting His love.
I do wish that it was a place of correction though.

MoNiCa4316 said:

It would, but don't people go to hell because they don't want to change? If they wanted to be with God, they would have accepted salvation....but they are dead but don't want to be made alive. I don't see hell as just some punishment, God still loves them, they are just not seeing or accepting His love.
I do wish that it was a place of correction though.

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You're exactly right with this. In fact, when you read the verses about the people that are judged & in hell, it uses "gnashing of teeth".
Biblically, gnashing teeth was used in ATTACK and disdain towards a person. Dislike.

It isn't people gnawing away in their agony, only wishing they could repent & get out or wishing God gave them another chance,
they HATE GOD and they're gnashing their teeth at Him in anger and rebellion.

In Revelation, it teaches that God sends bowls of judgment upon the earth to get people to repent of their sins, and instead of repenting, they harden more. "shaking their fists at God". Refusing to repent.

Nice post

7angel said:

I have realized; some post have removed to light the lack from mercy that reigns in its heart of which it wrote it.
It is truely sad, have shown the image of a cruel God, instead of a full God of love and Almighty that always it pardons to that they regret.
They do not know hell perhaps, if they saw a drug addict undergo abstinence would have an idea, or perhaps would be necessary to live the abstinence from the drug addict because thus it is hell.
God is not vindictive, but it hard corrects to those who loves.



MATTHEW 18

21 18 Then Peter approaching asked him, "Lord, if my brother sins against me, how often must I forgive him? As many as seven times?" 22 19 Jesus answered, "I say to you, not seven times but seventy-seven times.

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As a former drug addict, I am all too well familiar with the struggles of abstinence. With that aside, I had a hard time understanding your English in this post, so if I misunderstand you, forgive me.

No one claimed God was vindictive. We only reminded everyone that He is a god of Justice. Vindictive = revenge seeking; Justice = equally fair in all matters.

7angel said:

I have realized; some post have removed to light the lack from mercy that reigns in its heart of which it wrote it.
It is truely sad, have shown the image of a cruel God, instead of a full God of love and Almighty that always it pardons to that they regret.
They do not know hell perhaps, if they saw a drug addict undergo abstinence would have an idea, or perhaps would be necessary to live the abstinence from the drug addict because thus it is hell.
God is not vindictive, but it hard corrects to those who loves.

MATTHEW 18

21 18 Then Peter approaching asked him, "Lord, if my brother sins against me, how often must I forgive him? As many as seven times?" 22 19 Jesus answered, "I say to you, not seven times but seventy-seven times.

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John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

1 Cor 6:
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God

Mat. 7:
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

GOD IS GRANTING US OUR MERCY RIGHT NOW DURING HIS GRACE PERIOD! WE HAVE IT NOW.

This is when He has given us time, and patience and grace to hear His Spirit call us -
God doesn't FORGIVE UNPAID SIN.

Jesus Christ came to fulfill that law that made the death penalty mandatory. IT DIDN'T GO AWAY, HE PAID IT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO WOULD ACCEPT IT OVER THEIR SIN and He became their ransom -
now, at judgment, the Father sees His blood covering over our sins, and we are pardoned for our sin.

THE LOST HAVE REJECTED JESUS' BLOOD COVERING OVER THEM, AND THAT PUTS THEM UNDER FULL MEASURE OF GOD'S LAW THAT ISN'T REMOVED.

ALL SIN must be paid for; either by Christ (when we accept His gift paid for us), OR THEY STAND GUILTY AND MUST BEAR THEIR OWN SIN.
That is the 2nd death - spiritual condemnation.

GOD'S MERCY IS GIVEN TO THEM ALREADY - HE PAID WITH HIS BLOOD and gives them time to repent - He calls every one of them to Himself. If they refuse Jesus Christ's salvation freely given, IT'S THEIR PENALTY TO PAY.

God has warned us.
IF YOU VIEWED SIN FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS AND HOW GOD SEES IT, you'de change your thinking to be in agreement with God; that we deserve NOTHING good from Him at all. NONE are righteous and we barely make it in!
1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
WE BARELY MAKE IT... that's how much God hates sin and it has to be dealt with.

Take a look at L. Ray Smith's teaching on the lake of fire

http://bible-truths.com/

Interesting word, this word "lake." The word lake in Rev. 19, 20, & 21 is "limen, which comes from Strong’s "[#3040--limen](through the idea of nearness of shore); a POND (large or small) -- lake."
And the word limen means "a harbor—haven, the fair havens" (Strong’s Greek Dictionary, p. 151).
A pond? God judges the world in a pond? Yes,God judges every unrepentant, unbelieving, wicked person that has ever lived (billions and billions and billions of people) -- The WHOLE WORLD OF HUMANITY (who are not in the first resurrection)… in a pond. A pond of divine, purifying SPIRIT.
This word limen has the word "fair" before it in Acts 27:8, in the King James Version—the "fair havens." Other translations render this verse as "safe harbor." (My father helped build Safe Harbor Dam in Pennsylvania).

spiritlead said:

Interesting word, this word "lake." The word lake in Rev. 19, 20, & 21 is "limen, which comes from Strong’s "[#3040--limen](through the idea of nearness of shore); a POND (large or small) -- lake."
And the word limen means "a harbor—haven, the fair havens" (Strong’s Greek Dictionary, p. 151).
A pond? God judges the world in a pond? Yes,God judges every unrepentant, unbelieving, wicked person that has ever lived (billions and billions and billions of people) -- The WHOLE WORLD OF HUMANITY (who are not in the first resurrection)… in a pond. A pond of divine, purifying SPIRIT.
This word limen has the word "fair" before it in Acts 27:8, in the King James Version—the "fair havens." Other translations render this verse as "safe harbor." (My father helped build Safe Harbor Dam in Pennsylvania).

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According to Revelation that describes this "POND" of yours, it's burning and full of brimstone too.

Anywhere I want to be? NO, I'd like to be with the Lord Jesus WHO I ACCEPTED AS MY SAVIOUR TO RANSOM ME AND PAY FOR MY SIN.

Revelation 19:20
[ Doom of the Beast and False Prophet ] And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 21:8
" But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


Does this pond sound like a picnic at the park or is it just me?

Nadiine said:

According to Revelation that describes this "POND" of yours, it's burning and full of brimstone too.

Anywhere I want to be? NO, I'd like to be with the Lord Jesus WHO I ACCEPTED AS MY SAVIOUR TO RANSOM ME AND PAY FOR MY SIN.

Revelation 19:20
[ Doom of the Beast and False Prophet ] And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 21:8
" But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


Does this pond sound like a picnic at the park or is it just me?

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Nadine,
Take a look at L. Ray Smith's teaching on the lake of fire

http://bible-truths.com/



Scroll down to lake of fire series

spiritlead said:

Nadine,
Take a look at L. Ray Smith's teaching on the lake of fire

http://bible-truths.com/

Scroll down to lake of fire series

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I FOUND THIS STATEMENT OF 'TRUTH' ON THIS PAGE:

God Is Not A Trinity Of Three Persons

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and from that page:

[A Scriptural Refutation of the Trinity Theory]

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So your site that's bringing me "truth" about the lake of fire (& other doctrines)DENIES THE GODHEAD

And if he denies the Godhead (Trinity), THEN HE ALSO DENIES THAT JESUS IS GOD!
I will NOT read any further on such a page containing HERESY.

If he can't even figure out who GOD IS, he is also not qualified to teach me about Hell. Once he recognizes who God is, then maybe God can reach him with truth to open his eyes.

I profess that it's becuz he has no clue who God is, that he also has all the rest of his teachings bungled up. Scripture is clear that those who HAVE GOD'S SPIRIT within, have understanding given to them directly from God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (discerned)

(other verses teach similar things as well).

7angel said:

People think; if one goes to hell, it will never leave there, this does not have sense.

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense

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You are correct that , if hell was a punishment ( as most christians believe , it wouldn't make sense . However , I consider that people have made decisions to seperate themselves from fellowship with the Lord . This decision continues on after physical death .

spiritlead said:

Interesting word, this word "lake." The word lake in Rev. 19, 20, & 21 is "limen,

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This is incorrect. The word translated "lake" in references to the lake of fire is limne which is Strong's # 3041

spiritlead said:

Iwhich comes from Strong’s "[#3040--limen](through the idea of nearness of shore); a POND (large or small) -- lake." ... And the word limen means "a harbor—haven, the fair havens" (Strong’s Greek Dictionary, p. 151).

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While that is true of limen (# 3040) it is not true of limne (# 3041) which has a one-word definition: "lake." You cannot be definitive about the meaning of a word by its root, although it does give guidance as to the thought of the originator. That is true in Greek or in English. Going back to the root is a common error of people who wish to make the Bible read as they want, not as it actually does.

Your effort to make hell redemptive is absolute heresy, and you are using the worst form of scholarly subterfuge to do so.

Originally Posted by 7angel

People think; if one goes to hell, it will never leave there, this does not have sense.

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense

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Hell/lake of fire isn't CORRECTION - it's judgment and punishment of the deeds done in their life.
CORRECTION TIME IS HERE RIGHT NOW - while they can turn around from their sin and choose Christ.
RIGHT NOW is when they have correction & grace to accept Salvation.
Once it's over, it's judgment time. (see verse below).

Hell isn't actually where people STAY - death and hell are thrown INTO the Lake of Fire for eternity.
Hell is basically where the unsaved are awaiting their final judgment before God's throne. (White throne judgment).
When God is finished judging, Satan, his false prophets, the antichrist, all who rejected Jesus Christ as their Lord & Saviour along with death and hell are cast there.

ALL EVIL is put away and contained where it cannot get back out to corrupt life again.
Those who didn't want to submit to Christ and take His payment for their sin, STAND TO PAY THE PENALTY OF THEIR OWN SINS - they have no sacrifice.

God puts all evil away, so that all the creation can be restored and regenerated - all who accepted Christ's pardon for their sin and who live eternally in a restored world, are no longer affected by evil - it's been judged.

The fact that God would actually allow people who did all they wanted in this life - who mocked & persecuted God's people, who sacrificed NOTHING for the Lord - out of their judgment --while the believers had suffered and died to self to please the Lord and serve Him (LOSING this life for the next one), makes no sense.
It isn't JUST at all!
Hey, you guys forego this life and don't indulge in your very sin nature - carry your crosses, take the hateful world's mocking and persecution of you - and when it's all over, I LET THEM BACK OUT SO THEY CAN LIVE WITH YOU GUYS IN BLISS.

What is that??? Their PARDON & FORGIVENESS IS RIGHT NOW. Not AFTER God is proven to them visually - when they're in discomfort.
The blood pardon is for the SOUL - it is only available in THIS LIFE to take it or leave it to pay the penalty.
JUDGMENT COMES AFTER DEATH.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

It isn't correction, IT'S SENTENCING TIME.

There's no 2nd chance after VISUALLY SEEING GOD and where you go! And what would they do upon this "correction"? SATAN IS PUT AWAY after all is judged - they don't get out and then retry life without rejection of God or "being good" after they're released!
IT'S OVER BY THEN. Satan & evil are judged & contained eternally.
What are they "correcting" as if they get back out & go thru life again?

It actually makes LESS SENSE that they get back out once put into the lake of fire [POND]
IF HELL IS THIS LOVELY POND, THEN WHY DID JESUS BOTHER TO WARN ANYONE OF HELL AND JUDGMENT???
Another thing to ponder.
If it's no big deal what happens, they get eternal life anyways, and it's just some happy pond, THEN WHY THE URGENCY of God having a bible written for some 4000 yrs., Christians going to their deaths in droves as martyrs from heinous persecutors and us dying to Self and suffering... all for eternal life -WHEN WE ALL GET IT ANYWAYS, EITHER WAY!~???


It utterly makes no sense at all.
Lastly, what if you're wrong! You guys have no idea if your'e actually right. You're manipulating some verses (most outside their proper context) to apply it where you want and to mean what you want it to mean.

Since this thread has turned into "beating a dead horse" and clearly some folks can't get past God being more than simply a God of love, I'm refraining from utterly dragging this thing on.

See ya's in another thread, gang. Remember, don't make the Bible into what YOU want it to say and teach. Let the Scriptures speak for themselves. God did NOT give us a book of secret meanings. There is no need to play detective. The first rule of hermeneutics is to allow the text to say what it does. NEVER try to make it a "play on words" as some often do.

Peace, love you all.

JMRE5150 said:

Since this thread has turned into "beating a dead horse" and clearly some folks can't get past God being more than simply a God of love, I'm refraining from utterly dragging this thing on.

See ya's in another thread, gang. Remember, don't make the Bible into what YOU want it to say and teach. Let the Scriptures speak for themselves. God did NOT give us a book of secret meanings. There is no need to play detective. The first rule of hermeneutics is to allow the text to say what it does. NEVER try to make it a "play on words" as some often do.

Peace, love you all.

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EXACTLY. As it stands, we'd all have to have secret decoder rings with scholars who would be the ONLY ONES who could read it's mysterious overt and HIDDEN messages... AND NEVERMIND THE POOR LOST SAPS who can't even get the spiritual meanings found between the lines that they need the Spirit to relay.

We're turning the Bible into a Sleuth mystery as if you can't just READ IT for what it says anymore - most of it's VERY CLEAR if you just read it WITHOUT AN AGENDA TO MAKE IT SAY WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD.
Some common sense helps too.

rep for U
and !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IisJustMe said:

This is incorrect. The word translated "lake" in references to the lake of fire is limne which is Strong's # 3041 While that is true of limen (# 3040) it is not true of limne (# 3041) which has a one-word definition: "lake." You cannot be definitive about the meaning of a word by its root, although it does give guidance as to the thought of the originator. That is true in Greek or in English. Going back to the root is a common error of people who wish to make the Bible read as they want, not as it actually does.

Your effort to make hell redemptive is absolute heresy, and you are using the worst form of scholarly subterfuge to do so.

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Thanks alot for that, I was too busy to look anything up.

Further, THE BIBLE DIRECTLY SAYS THAT THIS "LAKE" IS FULL OF BRIMSTONE.
Even if it were this sublime POND, the "pond" is full of brimstone. Do we call God a liar & make up what we think the pond is full of ?

The fact that the site she posted teaches against the Holy Trinity (WHICH SATAN HAS AN APOSTATE TRINITY IN REPLICA: Beast, false prophet and antichrist - unholy trinity), is all I needed to see to run from even reading that man's information.

I do not get my teachings from heretics who can't even recognize who GOD IS, let alone truths from His words.

The bible teaches that after death there is only judgment left.I disagree that judgment is a correction. Judgment is the penalty phase for their choices.

I would have to ask that if judgment is a correctional period, then can we as Christians get a second chance for more rewards if we get another chance to do good and undo what we did wrong? And if so, where is this found in the Bible?

Christians are being given reward at that time for what they did and did not do. Where does anyone see its a time of correction and second chances?

What is awesome about this is the lie is being exposted and not controled by some bias religion. Everything that shall be shaken shall be shaken. This subject was banned a few months a go; but sooner or later God's purging truth will burn up all the wood hay and stubble; but not the people.

BRIMSTONE "The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire. The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.' Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.'

PeacaHeaven said:

The bible teaches that after death there is only judgment left.I disagree that judgment is a correction. Judgment is the penalty phase for their choices.

I would have to ask that if judgment is a correctional period, then can we as Christians get a second chance for more rewards if we get another chance to do good and undo what we did wrong? And if so, where is this found in the Bible?

Christians are being given reward at that time for what they did and did not do. Where does anyone see its a time of correction and second chances?

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This is not the age in which we are supposed to be "need-conscious." This is the age in which we should become God-conscious and learn that He is going to meet all needs according to His own timing. This kind of God-consciousness requires a far different understanding of God's purpose for the ages than Christian Babylon has taught us. They have taught us for so long that if the sinners don't find help now, they will be "eternally lost" or will "suffer forever in hell." But the scripture is plain that as in Adam all died, so by Christ shall the same "all" be made alive. The words "in Christ" can just as accurately be translated "by Christ," - "but every man in his own order." If the iniquity of one man had the power to open the door and multiply itself to the extent that it is at today, dare we say that the death of Christ is any less effective? Romans 5:22 says, "Where sin abounds, Grace doth much more abound, and by One Man's righteousness (Christ) shall the free gift come upon all men." Romans chapter five makes it plain that whatever sin did, grace will do much more! It's not just tit for tat, but a more than overcoming. The negative effect of Adam's sin reached everyone on earth, but the restorative work of Christ will reach the entire cosmos until the universe will be better off that sin temporarily prevailed than if it had not existed at all.

"Behold My Servant (Jesus Christ), whom I have chosen; My beloved, in whom My soul is well pleased: I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He shall shew judgement to the Gentiles. A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench, till He send forth judgement unto victory. And in His Name shall the Gentiles trust." Matthew 12:18, 20 & 21
The ultimate result of God's judgements to come is that the nations will trust in Him. Every individual of every nation shall learn to trust in the Lord. This is the purpose of all of God's judgments. Luke 3:6 says, "All flesh shall see the salvation of God." When God's judgements have been fully executed it will have resulted in the knowledge of His salvation becoming experiential in all creation.

The word "judgement" is defined as "the act of judging, involving comparison, and discrimination by which knowledge of values and relations are mentally formulated." Or, in other words, judgement is the power of arriving at a wise decision. The end result of God's judgement is to bring correction and alignment to a state of rightness. When God pronounces judgement on a situation we realize that He has needed to correct it, and then He executes all the processing necessary until a right state of being has been brought forth.

Christian Babylon judges with their carnal mind. This is why their judgement is not wise. God's judgment will bring an end to all evil and establish righteousness throughout the universe. For years and years Christendom has waxed eloquent on its soap-box. They cry out to the people to come to Jesus, but the people can't come. God has not yet awakened a desire whin them to come to Jesus. They cannot come to Jesus because they love darkness rather than light. But when God's timing is ready, the Light of the world will come to them. The negative preachers of doom love to preach about the terrible things that are going to happen to people who do not come to the Light, but these same preachers are in darkness themselves. They cannot see that it is Jesus Christ, the Light who will come to the people, even though the people would not, indeed could not come to Him.
God may bring tragedy into your life. you may lose your job or your health, your house may burn down, your child, or even your spouse may die; but these things in themselves will not change you. You will remain the same selfish kind of person that you may have been before unless God shines light into the situation for you. When it is God's timing to shine His light into your life - then it will produce a change. His timing is always perfect. And it will require no negative message to effect the change. the powerful character of the Light Himself will effect any change that He desires.

David knew that God's judgement is only a means to an end and not an end in itself. In Psalm 119:43 he said, "take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth, for I have hoped in Thy judgements." And in 1 Chronicles 16:31-34 David said, "Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The Lord reigneth. Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof: let the fields rejoice, and all that is therein. Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the presence of the Lord, because He cometh to judge the earth. O give thanks unto the Lord; for He is good; for His mercy endures for all ages."
Christendom has taught us to fear the judgement, but they who know what God is really like will welcome the judgment, for it will bring about reconciliation to God for everyone who still needs to be reconciled. Reconciliation is the ultimate goal of all of God's judgements, and God never fails to reach His goals. As all of His judgments, God's final judgement will be an expression of His goodness and mercy. At the coming judgement the process of degeneration will be replaced by the process of regeneration. Man's judgement of sin is against you, but God's judgement of sin is for you. The light of God's judgement will bring everyone into life