Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

[Hentenza]

Again, the punctuation was added to scripture centuries later from the time of the original. It was at the discretion of the editor to add where they saw fit.

Not the editor but the scholars that translated the Bible from the original languages. It makes perfect sense to add a comma after the phrase “Truly I say to you”. Languages like Thai and Burmese still lack punctuation but are translated to English adding punctuation.

 

[timothyu]

So your “common sense” tells you that the comma should be after the word “today”

You don't seem to grasp the fact there were no commas in the original scripture, so it was at the discretion of humans centuries later where they put it, and you can bet they put it where their doctrine wanted it. It could just have easily said Truly I say to you today, you will be with me in lparadise. Either way no punctuation in the original.

 

[Hentenza]

You don't seem to grasp the fact there were no commas in the original scripture, so it was at the discretion of humans centuries later where they put it, and you can bet they put it where their doctrine wanted it.

You dont seem to grasp the fact that punctuation was indeed added as translating the Bible from the original languages that didn’t use punctuation to other languages that use punctuation became common. There is no conspiracy. Is merely typical translation methodology. In English we use punctuation. Imagine how confusing English text would read without punctuation.

 

[SarahsKnight]

That's the problem. People rely on tradition instead of common sense that come with an understanding of how man likes to make everything over in our own image..

Thus it has become evident to me that that image is an extremely carnal one that desires neverending vengeance over any Godly sense of justice, but with those such as Hentenza and Dan1998, they mistakenly assume that endless vengeance is God's brand of justice against sin and iniquity, when Scripture simply has not indictated that. And it just seems odd to me when they claim in so many ways that Jesus Himself was all for eternal torment, when He is the same Man who taught us to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you", AND rebuked one of His disciples when he used a sword to strike off the ear of one of the folk who had come to arrest Him and eventually lead Him to a painful death at the cross!

 

[timothyu]

There is no conspiracy.

9 centuries later they would have punctuated it according to their understanding and man had already done a good job of changing meanings so the possibility exists. They had even abandoned the Kingdom 6 centuries earlier to align themselves with Rome, so trustworthiness and credibility was no longer in their repertoire. Either way, yes the thief would be with Him in the Kingdom, but it matters not if it was that day or at the resurrection. It would be in the blink of an eye either way. Time flies when you're dead.

 

[Hentenza]

Thus it has become evident to me that that image is an extremely carnal one that desires neverending vengeance over any Godly sense of justice, but with those such as Hetenza and Dan1998, they mistakenly assume that endless vengeance is God's brand of justice against sin and iniquity, when Scripture simply has not indictated that. And it just seems odd to me when they claim in so many ways that Jesus Himself was all for eternal torment, when He is the same Man who taught us to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you", AND rebuked one of His disciples when he used a sword to strike off the ear of one of the folk who had come to arrest Him and eventually lead Him to a painful death at the cross!

Your arguments are based on an emotional fallacy and very little biblical evidence. Judging an infinite, ever-powerful God or His plan is a useless endeavor. When you arrive in heaven you are going to agree with everything that God has planned and done.

Secondly if you believe I am wrong then put forth your logical and biblical argument defending your position. Merely talking about whether other posters are wrong to other posters looks to much like gossip.

 

[Hentenza]

9 centuries later they would have punctuated it according to their understanding and man had already done a good job of changing meanings so the possibility exists. They had even abandoned the Kingdom 6 centuries earlier to align themselves with Rome, so trustworthiness and credibility was no longer in their repertoire. Either way, yes the thief would be with Him in the Kingdom, but it matters not if it was that day or at the resurrection.

It matters to those promoting the error of “soul sleep” which is why you should be careful with some people’s intentions and having the proper understanding of the verse.

 

[timothyu]

It matters to those promoting the error of “soul sleep” which is why you should be careful with some people’s intentions and having the proper understanding of the verse.

Human wisdom does not guarantee an absolute. Like I said, it can go either way but the result is the same. The thief following God's will placed him in the Kingdom.

 

[Hentenza]

Human wisdom does not guarantee an absolute. Like I said, it can go either way but the result is the same. The thief following God's will placed him in the Kingdom.

I don’t buy that. The rules of grammar and syntax dictate, in most cases, what punctuation mark should be used. Secondly, the rules of punctuation dictate that we place a comma after introductory participial phrases, like the one in Luke 23:43, and that we set off direct quotations with a comma. We also capitalize the first word of a direct quotation. Without punctuation most people would not be able to read and understand the Bible.

 

[timothyu]

I don’t buy that.

Doesn't matter. The issue revolving around this scripture was not when the thief would join Him, but why he got to when the other thief wouldn't.