Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Jipsah said:

Hmmm... some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt. But in your belief, they'd all have everlasting life, wouldn't they? In your beliefs, nobody ever actually dies, do they

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Gee that inconvenient everlasting word.

Hentenza said:

Gee that inconvenient everlasting word.

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Yeah, no dodging it. is there? Your lot believe that everybody has everlasting life no matter what, and it ain't necessarily a good thing. Right?

Hentenza said:

Emotional fallacy.

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Yeah, you'd have us believe that eternal torment is just another part of the Love of God, right?

Hentenza said:

I guess getting a cohesive argument from you is out of the question. Bye

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How about this for cohesion: if the Scripture says "death". ir probably means "death". If the Scripture says "die", it probably means "die". "Destroy" means "destroy". That, whether your rbubish doctrine says you should belive that ot not. Those who die in sin and without Christ die. If you don'r see that as suffient punishment, then perhaps it's more a matter of your own human viciousness than God's justice., I'm sorry, but if you believe that infinite torment evinces Divine Love, then your understanding of "love" twisted out of all recognition.

God Himself came, and suffered, and died, for His sinful creatures. He begged God, His Father, to have mercy on us, because we knew not what we did. But you believe that was all a sham, and that as soon as our Lord sat don at the right hand of His Father, He said, in effect, "OK, that stage is over, now it's time to start torturing the sinful scum who don't get with the program, forever. That'll teach 'em!" That's your teaching; that's your understanding of God.

I find it unutterably vile. God Humself came here.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

But your lot would have us believe that He's done with all that, and that now He's all about eternal torture of everyone who doesn't believe. Have any of you ever read the new Testament of our Lord Christ? It certainly doesn't sound like it.

That is, IMO, a shameful, monstrous corruption of what our Lord taught, and the mercy He paid for by His sacrifice on the cross.

Shame on you!

Jipsah said:

How about this for cohesion: if the Scripture says "death". ir probably means "death". If the Scripture says "die", it probably means "die". "Destroy" means "destroy". That, whether your rbubish doctrine says you should belive that ot not. Those who die in sin and without Christ die. If you don'r see that as suffient punishment, then perhaps it's more a matter of your own human viciousness than God's justice., I'm sorry, but if you believe that infinite torment evinces Divine Love, then your understanding of "love" twisted out of all recognition.

God Himself came, and suffered, and died, for His sinful creatures. He begged God, His Father, to have mercy on us, because we knew not what we did. But you believe that was all a sham, and that as soon as our Lord sat don at the right hand of His Father, He said, in effect, "OK, that stage is over, now it's time to start torturing the sinful scum who don't get with the program, forever. That'll teach 'em!" That's your teaching; that's your understanding of God.

I find it unutterably vile. God Humself came here.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

But your lot would have us believe that He's done with all that, and that now He's all about eternal torture of everyone who doesn't believe. Have any of you ever read the new Testament of our Lord Christ? It certainly doesn't sound like it.

That is, IMO, a shameful, monstrous corruption of what our Lord taught, and the mercy He paid for by His sacrifice on the cross.

Shame on you!

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Jipsah said:

Yeah, no dodging it. is there? Your lot believe that everybody has everlasting life no matter what, and it ain't necessarily a good thing. Right?

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Jipsah said:

Yeah, you'd have us believe that eternal torment is just another part of the Love of God, right?

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Jipsah said:

How about this for cohesion: if the Scripture says "death". ir probably means "death". If the Scripture says "die", it probably means "die". "Destroy" means "destroy". That, whether your rbubish doctrine says you should belive that ot not. Those who die in sin and without Christ die. If you don'r see that as suffient punishment, then perhaps it's more a matter of your own human viciousness than God's justice., I'm sorry, but if you believe that infinite torment evinces Divine Love, then your understanding of "love" twisted out of all recognition.

God Himself came, and suffered, and died, for His sinful creatures. He begged God, His Father, to have mercy on us, because we knew not what we did. But you believe that was all a sham, and that as soon as our Lord sat don at the right hand of His Father, He said, in effect, "OK, that stage is over, now it's time to start torturing the sinful scum who don't get with the program, forever. That'll teach 'em!" That's your teaching; that's your understanding of God.

I find it unutterably vile. God Humself came here.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

But your lot would have us believe that He's done with all that, and that now He's all about eternal torture of everyone who doesn't believe. Have any of you ever read the new Testament of our Lord Christ? It certainly doesn't sound like it.

That is, IMO, a shameful, monstrous corruption of what our Lord taught, and the mercy He paid for by His sacrifice on the cross.

Shame on you!

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From “The Epistle of Barnabas” (70-130AD)
The author of the Epistle of Barnabas is unknown, but many consider him to simply be who he said he was, Barnabas, the associate of Paul who is mentioned in the Book of Acts. The letter was written to new converts to Christianity:

The way of darkness is crooked, and it is full of cursing. It is the way of eternal death with punishment. (“Epistle of Barnabas”)

From Ignatius of Antioch (110AD)
Ignatius was a student of the Apostle John, and succeeded the Apostle Peter as the Bishop of Antioch. He wrote a number of important letters to believers in churches in the area:

Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death. how much more if a man corrupt by evil reaching the faith of God. for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him. (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1-2)

From Clement of Rome (150AD)
Clement was Bishop of Rome from 88 to 98AD, and his teaching reflects the early traditions of the Church. “Second Clement” reportedly a recorded sermon, and Clement discusses the nature of Hell:

If we do the will of Christ, we shall obtain rest; but if not, if we neglect his commandments, nothing will rescue us from eternal punishment (“Second Clement” 5:5)

But when they see how those who have sinned and who have denied Jesus by their words or by their deeds are punished with terrible torture in unquenchable fire, the righteous, who have done good, and who have endured tortures and have hated the luxuries of life, will give glory to their God saying, ‘There shall be hope for him that has served God with all his heart!’ (“Second Clement” 17:7)

From “The Martyrdom of Polycarp” (155AD)
This work was written by an Early Church Father (unknown author) and is dated very early in the history of Christianity. It describes the death of Polycarp, a disciple of the Apostle John, and also describes early teachings of the church:

Fixing their minds on the grace of Christ, [the martyrs] despised worldly tortures and purchased eternal life with but a single hour. To them, the fire of their cruel torturers was cold. They kept before their eyes their escape from the eternal and unquenchable fire (“Martyrdom of Polycarp” 2:3)

From Tatian (160AD)
Tatian was an early Assyrian believer who moved to Rome as a pagan and eventually became a Christian. Interestingly, he read the Jewish Scriptures and from these became convinced that other pagan ideas about the world were simply false. He was a student of Justin Martyr and wrote about the unreasonableness of paganism and the truth of Christianity:

We who are now easily susceptible to death, will afterwards receive immortality with either enjoyment or with pain. (Ante-Nicene Fathers 1.71)

From Athenagoras of Athens (175AD)
Athenagoras was a philosopher and citizen of Athens who became a Christian (possibly from Platonism) and wrote two important apologetic works; “Apology” or “Embassy for the Christians”, and a “Treatise on the Resurrection”:

We are persuaded that when we are removed from the present life we will live another life, better than the present one…or, if they fall with the rest, they will endure a worse life, one in fire. For God has not made us as sheep or beasts of burden, who are mere by-products. For animals perish and are annihilated. On these grounds, it is not likely that we would wish to do evil. (“Apology”)

From Theophilus of Antioch (181AD)
Theophilus was the Patriarch of Antioch from 169 to 183AD. He was born a pagan and converted to Christianity after reading the scriptures. He was very zealous about protecting the orthodoxy of the earliest believers and he wrote a defense of the faith to a man named Autolycus:

Give studious attention to the prophetic writings [the Bible] and they will lead you on a clearer path to escape the eternal punishments and to obtain the eternal good things of God. . . . [God] will examine everything and will judge justly, granting recompense to each according to merit. To those who seek immortality by the patient exercise of good works, he will give everlasting life, joy, peace, rest, and all good things. . . . For the unbelievers and for the contemptuous, and for those who do not submit to the truth but assent to iniquity, when they have been involved in adulteries, and fornications, and homosexualities, and avarice, and in lawless idolatries, there will be wrath and indignation, tribulation and anguish; and in the end, such men as these will be detained in everlasting fire (“To Autolycus” 1:14)

From Irenaeus (189AD)
Irenaeus was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul (now Lyon, France) at the end of the second century. He was a disciple of Polycarp and a notable early apologist for the faith. He wrote several volumes defending the faith against Gnosticism and other early heresies of the Church, and he often compared eternal punishment to eternal reward, drawing the conclusion that one endured as long as the other:

…Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven,, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess’ to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send ‘spiritual wickednesses,’ and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning of their Christian course, and others from the date of their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory. (“Against Heresies” 1:10:10)

The penalty increases for those who do not believe the Word of God and despise his coming. . . . t is not merely temporal, but eternal. To whomsoever the Lord shall say, ‘Depart from me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire,’ they will be damned forever (“Against Heresies” 4:28:2)

From Clement of Alexandria (195AD)
Titus Flavius Clemens was the first significant and recorded Christian from the church of Alexandria, Egypt. His parents were Greek and he was raised with a solid, formal Greek education. While he had a tendency to blend Greek and Christian philosophies, his view on the issue of Hell was derived from the scriptures:

All souls are immortal, even those of the wicked. Yet, it would be better for them if they were not deathless. For they are punished with the endless vengeance of quenchless fire. Since they do not die, it is impossible for them to have an end put to their misery. (from a post-Nicene manuscript fragment)

From Tertullian (197AD)
Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus was a Romanized African citizen who was born in Carthage (now Tunisia). He became a Christian and was a powerful and influential apologist for the faith, writing prolifically in defense of the doctrines of orthodoxy:

These have further set before us the proofs He has given of His majesty in judgments by floods and fires, the rules appointed by Him for securing His favor, as well as the retribution in store for the ignoring, forsaking and keeping them, as being about at the end of all to adjudge His worshippers to everlasting life, and the wicked to the doom of fire at once without ending and without break, raising up again all the dead from the beginning, reforming and renewing them with the object of awarding either recompense. (“Apology” 18:3)

Then will the entire race of men be restored to receive its just deserts according to what it has merited in this period of good and evil, and thereafter to have these paid out in an immeasurable and unending eternity. Then there will be neither death again nor resurrection again, but we shall be always the same as we are now, without changing. The worshipers of God shall always be with God, clothed in the proper substance of eternity. But the godless and those who have not turned wholly to God will be punished in fire equally unending, and they shall have from the very nature of this fire, divine as it were, a supply of incorruptibility (“Apology” 44:12–13)

Therefore after this there is neither death nor repeated resurrections, but we shall be the same that we are now, and still unchanged–the servants of God, ever with God, clothed upon with the proper substance of eternity; but the profane, and all who are not true worshippers of God, in like manner shall be consigned to the punishment of everlasting fire–that fire which, from its very nature indeed, directly ministers to their incorruptibility. (“Apology” 48:12)

These are just a few ECFs from the first and second century that teach eternal punishment. I’m sure you’ll find some detractors but this was thst main teaching of the early church.

I am not going to insult you or demean you back like you do me because I don’t consider that to be Christ-like behavior. The shame should actually be on you. Your opinion does but count as evidence. If you want to prove your case then stick to evidence.