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Yet you also claim we (the Christian) is graft into Israel. So what are we graft into? Jesus isn't Israel.
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Yet you also claim we (the Christian) is graft into Israel. So what are we graft into? Jesus isn't Israel.Yep you did. I already posted that the root is JESUS you ignored the rest of the post showing they scripture showing that some of the branches that were broken off with UNBELIEVING ISRAEL. The rest of the branches are BELIEVING ISRAEL. Gentiles are grafted into the sams rootstock JESUS who BELIEVING ISRAEL are.
I've done that without any response on those passages. You do however provide lots of other passages claiming the ones I post are invalid. We can't be free and bound to the law at the same time. Gal 5 says if you return to the law, Jesus is of no value to you. That means no Jesus - no salvation. I've heard this which I think is true -Well that one has no truth in it. If you cannot respond to the posts and scriptures that disagree with you brother please just say so.
As posted earlier...
Your trying to make a case that Romans 14 is talking about the Sabbath when the Sabbath is not even mentioned neither holy days in the whole book of Romans. If Romans 14 is not talking about the Sabbath why pretend that it is?
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Romans 14:5 is not speaking of Holy days. It is talking about days that men esteem. Not what days God esteems. Your trying to read into the scriptures something that it is not saying. There is no reference to God's 4th commandment in all the book of Romans.
If you disagree please respond to the second half of post # 86 linked that shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical.
Are you saying the 7th day sabbath isn't holy to you? I'm not asking for a reason. Do you set aside the sabbath as holy for you? This whole part of the forum is about the law and the sabbath, a holy day for some.Nope. Is ROMANS 14:5 talking about days that men esteem or days that God esteems? There is no reference to God's 4th Commandment in all the book of Romans.
Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?
Yes that's why Moses said it was for Israel. Moses indicated no where the sabbath was for the world. Your claim is God changed His mind after what, 4,000 years. Don't you claim God doesn't change? If what you claim is true the sabbath was created for all mankind, Moses is a liar. Do you believe liars?Sorry brother there is no missapplying anything unless you think Jesus is mistaken? I just quoted scripture from JESUS and JESUS says...
MARK 2:27 27, And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath
Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for Mankind. It is a memorial of creation. Moses was not a Jew was he? Either were Adam and Eve. The Sabbath was made well before any JEWS were made.
EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.
Sorry brother it is God's WORD not mine that answers your question directly and it disagrees with you.
Hope this helps
Yet you also claim we (the Christian) is graft into Israel. So what are we graft into? Jesus isn't Israel.
I've done that without any response on those passages. You do however provide lots of other passages claiming the ones I post are invalid. We can't be free and bound to the law at the same time. Gal 5 says if you return to the law, Jesus is of no value to you. That means no Jesus - no salvation. I've heard this which I think is true -
Know Jesus - no law.
Know law - no Jesus.
That's exactly what Galatians 5 says. The same chapter also says if we're led by the Spirit, we're not under (obligated to) the law.
Are you saying the 7th day sabbath isn't holy to you? I'm not asking for a reason. Do you set aside the sabbath as holy for you? This whole part of the forum is about the law and the sabbath, a holy day for some.
Yes that's why Moses said it was for Israel. Moses indicated no where the sabbath was for the world. Your claim is God changed His mind after what, 4,000 years. Don't you claim God doesn't change? If what you claim is true the sabbath was created for all mankind, Moses is a liar. Do you believe liars?
For that matter, where does it even mention "holy days"?Are you saying days that men esteem are Holy days and days that God esteems are not Holy days? Where in Romans 14 does it talk about the Sabbath?
Are you saying the 7th day sabbath isn't holy to you? I'm not asking for a reason. Do you set aside the sabbath as holy for you? This whole part of the forum is about the law and the sabbath, a holy day for some.
I've heard this ... -
Know Jesus - no law.
Know law - no Jesus.
I know Romans, studied it for years and what it says is crystal clear about one person considering a day more holy then another and another doesn't, this is not an interpretive challenge requiring special insight. Sunday has always been special to Christians, in many cases a New Testament equivalent to the Jewish Sabbath but the Sabbath rest is in the completed work of Christ on the cross. I've fielded more of these threads then I care to remember and it's always the same, a text without a context is a pretext and this particular verse doesn't even require the context to understand the clear meaning. Revisiting these timeless truths of Scripture are always a blessing and I'm perfectly confident that the meaning is clear on the surface, in the middle and especially given the larger context because Paul is always focused on the core message of Christ and him crucified. Have you somehow managed to miss that?Sorry brother but the second half of post # 86 linked shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical. If you believe it is then please address the post and the sciptures in them that disagree with you.
Simply saying you understand Romans 14 perfectly when a post has been provided to you looking at all the context and scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of one verse does not make God's WORD dissappead.
This is sent only in love brother. Take the time prayerfully read the scriptures provided for you. It can only be a blessing to you.
You misunderstand that service to God is only the result of faith that work's by LOVE because we choose to believe and follow God's WORD because we love him who first loved us. We are not saved by service but service is a result of love *JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 4:19; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
I know Romans, studied it for years and what it says is crystal clear about one person considering a day more holy then another and another doesn't, this is not an interpretive challenge requiring special insight. Sunday has always been special to Christians, in many cases a New Testament equivalent to the Jewish Sabbath but the Sabbath rest is in the completed work of Christ on the cross. I've fielded more of these threads then I care to remember and it's always the same, a text without a context is a pretext and this particular verse doesn't even require the context to understand the clear meaning. Revisiting these timeless truths of Scripture are always a blessing and I'm perfectly confident that the meaning is clear on the surface, in the middle and especially given the larger context because Paul is always focused on the core message of Christ and him crucified. Have you somehow managed to miss that?
Grace and peace,
Mark
I never said it was abolished, I said it was fulfilled in Christ. If I never participate in the Lord's Supper that doesn't mean I do not embrace what it represents. I'm not following any teachings or traditions other then what is clear in Scripture and your exposition isn't even an exposition, just you telling me I'm wrong because you have some private interpretation.If you have studied Romans for years, where does it say in God's WORD as you have said that one person considers a day more HOLY then another? Where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a Holy day?
Fact is brother you misinterpret Romans 14:5 and have to write into the scripture something it is not saying. If you understand Romans 14 as well as you say you do then you would have no problem addressing all the scriptures in the second half of post # 86 linked which shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical. If you believe your interpretation of Romans 14:5 biblical then why can you not address the post and the sciptures in them that disagree with you?
Simply saying you understand Romans 14 perfectly when a post has been provided to you looking at all the context and scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of one verse does not make God's WORD dissappead.
This is sent only in love brother. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
I never said it was abolished, I said it was fulfilled in Christ. If I never participate in the Lord's Supper that doesn't mean I do not embrace what it represents. I'm not following any teachings or traditions other then what is clear in Scripture and your exposition isn't even an exposition, just you telling me I'm wrong because you have some private interpretation.
No it doesn't and thanks.Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Please feel free to address with posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you. Just ignoring these scriptures do not make them dissappear and there is a lot of them. Sent with all love brother.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
If you disagree please respond to the second half of post # 86 linked that shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical.No it doesn't and thanks.
Nothing to respond to, the verse is straight forward and obviously applies to Sabbath days, or Sunday as the case might be. Judaism was big on this, leading Paul to issue this dire warning:If you disagree please respond to the second half of post # 86 linked that shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical.
Nothing to respond to, the verse is straight forward and obviously applies to Sabbath days, or Sunday as the case might be. Judaism was big on this, leading Paul to issue this dire warning:
But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain. (Gal. 4:9-11)Watch out for that slippery slope.
But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain. (Gal. 4:9-11)Watch out for that slippery slope.
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