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Hebrews 6:4-6 - what does it mean?

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Hebrews 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Does this mean that if you are a Christian, and then lose your faith, that you can't come back? If it doesn't mean that, what does it mean?
 

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From 5:11-12 it seems that the author is afraid his readers are becoming lazy. He's trying to point out the danger of that. He says you can't transform people's hearts and lives if they've lost the basis for that transformation, i.e. if you've lost the faith on which Christian lives are based. I don't think he's addressing the question of someone who has fallen away and then repented. Note that the next few verses speak of how good crops come from good land. That goes well with an understanding that if the basis for Christian life goes away so will the life.

I'd prefer not to read Hebrews in a way that contradicts Jesus' teachings, such as the Prodigal Son.
 
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Thanks for your reply hedrick. However, it still seems to be saying to me that if a person is 'enlightened' and then they fall away, that they can't get back - so a person who was saved and then goes into unbelief, can't become saved again.

I find this confusing because that seems to be what the bible says, and yet other people have said to me that God doesn't give up on a person.

edit: I just posted the above and then saw your note about the prodigal son...I do find the bible contradictory sometimes.
 
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Hebrews 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Does this mean that if you are a Christian, and then lose your faith, that you can't come back? If it doesn't mean that, what does it mean?


In Romans 11 Paul says of the Jews that fell "due to unbelief" -- "Quite right they fell due to unbelief and God is able to graft them in again if they do not continue in unbelief".

But in Hebrews 6 you have the case where those who have the full knowledge of the Gospel -- are saved, are born-again, a filled with the Holy Spirit - and freed from slavery to sin...turn again to a life of sin, turn back to their lost state.

Paul argues that such persons are not able to come back again.

Christ speaks of this in Matt 12 saying that those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit can not be forgiven.

in Christ,

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But in Hebrews 6 you have the case where those who have the full knowledge of the Gospel -- are saved, are born-again, a filled with the Holy Spirit - and freed from slavery to sin...turn again to a life of sin, turn back to their lost state.

Paul argues that such persons are not able to come back again.

I would put myself in that category so I guess that means that there is no way back. That's what I thought the bible meant, but a couple of people I know have been telling me that God would accept me back.
 
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You are welcome back. That's what the story of the prodigal is all about. Here is part of a commentary on Hebrews by Tom Wright, a well known biblical scholar.

HEBREWS 6.1-8
"The writer of Hebrews is working his way round to saying “If you're prepared to grow up to maturity, here's some meat for you to get your teeth into!' As he prepares further teaching, he issues a stern warning about the impossibility of giving people a second start in the Christian faith if they turn round the first time and trample on it. His point is that when you've learnt the ABC of the Christian you must go on from there. You can't go backwards, any than you can set off on a bicycle and then, a minute later, backwards to where you began and start off again. If to do that, you'll fall off, which is more or less what verse 6 says.

Before we discover why Hebrews says this, and what the writer means, let's take a closer look at how he Christian beginnings and basic Christian teaching.
Verses 4 and 5 offer a lavish description of what when you become a Christian. First, you are come to 'see the light' with your mind's eye, to recognise the truth about God, the world, yourself and your neighbour.

Second, you 'taste the heavenly gift'. You begin to experience a new kind of life and love which reaches out and embraces you, and you realize that this life and love come from heaven, from God himself.

Third, you have a share in the Holy Spirit. This is a more personal way of speaking about how the one God comes to the individual and community, revealing truth, assuring us of love, awakening hope.

Fourth, you 'taste the good word of God'. You experience the Bible, and the message about Jesus, like a long cool drink on a hot day, or like solid food when you hadn't realized how hungry you were.

Fifth, you also taste 'the powers of the coming age'. The new creation which God will one day accomplish has already begun in Jesus, and a sense of that newness steals over you, making you long both that the new world will come to birth very soon and that you will be made ready for it.
The writer assumes that, though his readers are still only babies, needing milk not solid food, they would be able to nod with recognition to all of these. If, today, we don't regard them as foundational for our Christian experience, what's gone wrong?

Similar questions arise when we look at his description of the Christian ABC, the rudimentary teachings which he shouldn't have to repeat. Here they are in verses 1 and 2.

First, repentance from dead works. This refers both to the religious practices of paganism (the worship of idols and all that it involves) and the behaviour characteristic of pagan society. In Hebrews, the phrase also hints at the continuation of the Jewish Temple rituals, which have become redundant with the achievement of Jesus.

Second, faith towards God. This is spelled out more fully in 11.1 and 11.6. It means, of course, belief and trust in the true God as opposed to idols.

Third, teaching about baptisms and laying on of hands. This double action was, from the earliest times, associated with admission into the Christian community. Jesus' movement began with John's baptism, and from the earliest days the church new converts received baptism, followed by laying on of hands, as the sign and means of their sharing the new common life of the Christian family.

Fourth, the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment (or perhaps we should translate it 'the judgment of theco ing age'). Again, from earliest times the Christians were clear that there would come a time when God would the whole world and usher in the age to come. No hope for 'a better by and by'; no sense that, after death, behaviour in the present life won't seem to matter so much. Rather, a very specific hope, solidly rooted in 1ongstanding Jewish tradition and given fresh focus and impetus by Jesus’ own resurrection.

At this point, once more, many modern Christians will their eyes in surprise. These are the ... basics? The early Christian ABC? Most of Our congregations don't much about them! Many in our churches today couldn't tell you why we baptize people, what precisely the resurrection is and why they should believe in it, let alone what 'dead works’ are and why you should repent of them. If this is the of Christian education, I fear there are many churches, as well as individual Christians, that need to go back to school. It's not, I think, that they've learned the alphabet ago and forgotten it. No: they haven't ever learned it in first place. They are getting by on the spiritual equivalent of grunts and hand signals.

The point of this list is for the writer to say that he is not going to go back over all this ground again. Rather, he wants to go deeper, to teach them more developed and wide-ranging truths. And the solemn warning about 'falling away' in verses 4-8 fits here as a way of saying that if you have learned the ABC thoroughly, and have started off enthusiastically on the Christian path, you can't expect to be restored if you then renounce it and go off in a different direction. As with the child who, having learnt the ABC, refuses either to read, write or even speak intelligibly, the teacher comes to suspect that nothing is ever going in, or at least that it's not doing any good.
That is the picture we have in verses 7 and 8. The land gets watered, and produces a crop. But if the only crop is thorns and thistles (this echoes Genesis 3.18, where thorns and thistles are a sign of the fall) then the farmer will give up hope, and eventually turn the whole thing into a bonfire. But what could a Christian individual or community do that would be the equivalent of such a thing?

When he speaks of 'falling away: and of 'crucifying God's Son all over again: the writer seems to have in mind people who have belonged to the church, who have taken part in its common life, but who then decide it isn't for them, abandon their membership, and join in the general public contempt for the faith. This raises an interesting question, which the writer doesn't pursue here: is it possible first to become a genuine Christian and then to lose everything after all? To this question Paul, in Romans 5-8, gives the emphatic answer 'No!: and advances detailed arguments to prove the point. In the present passage the writer quickly goes on to say that he doesn't think his readers come into the category he's describing, but he doesn't unpack the wider theological question. The normal way of holding what he says together with what Paul and others imply is that the people described in verses 4 and 5 are people who have become church members, have felt the power of the gospel and the life that results it through sharing the common life of Christian but who have never really made it their own, deep down When he says in 12.15, 'Take care that nobody lacks grace,' he seems to envisage such a category of people. But he doesn't press the point. Nor should we press him for answers to questions he wasn't asking.

We should, rather, let him pose his sharp and uncomfortable question directly to us. Are we - or are some within Christian fellowship - in danger of turning our backs on faith, and joining in the general tendency to sneer at the gospel and the church? Are we lining up with those who hold firm their original faith and hope, or with those who, like Peter the charcoal fire, are ready to deny that they have anything do with Jesus?"


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I appreciate you taking the time to write such a detailed reply. Unfortunately, I still think from what you have written that I may belong to the category of persons who can't come back - it would certainly be a close call. In fact, I'm not even sure at the moment if I really do believe and trust because I became disillusioned in both matters of faith and church. I just really wanted to know better where I stand since my friends were encouraging me to come back and I was questioning again. Sometimes I find the bible confusing.
 
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There are a few passages in the NT about situations where it looks like you can't get back. There's this passage, one about mortal sin, and one about the sin against the Holy Spirit. In all cases, we get questions from people who are afraid they've done it. In response, we get lots of interesting interpretations of the passage, all of them designed to reassure the person.

There's a reason for this. Jesus is really clear in teaching that God will always welcome us back, and in fact that God desperately wants us back. So there's no way we will ever tell someone who has fallen away that it's hopeless to come back.

If you look at the 3 or so passages, they are all warnings. They are warning people that if they abandon the faith it's going to be nearly impossible to come back. The point isn't that God will reject them, but that they're in a very dangerous position where they won't be able (on their own) to want to come back. No one ever says "sorry, it's too late to repent. God won't have you."

You can see this at work in Mat 19:16 ff. In talking with the rich young man, Jesus says it is nearly impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom. His disciples push him on it. He responds "It's impossible for human beings. But all things are possible for God." (Mat 19:26, CEB)

I believe he would answer the same here. There are situations in which it's nearly impossible for people to come back. But what is impossible for human beings is possible for God. The point isn't that God will reject you. He won't. But there are situations people can get into where almost no one will get out. At least without God's help, as Jesus points out.
 
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Thanks for your reply hedrick. I shall read around a bit more and think things through more. I don't think that I could ever go back to the church I left as I didn't feel I fitted in, although I met some nice people there. In fact, that has been a recurring issue - not fitting in and the discomfort that goes along with that. On top of that, some other people really seem to have a strong assurance that they are saved and that they hear God's voice - but when I was a Christian I was insecure and just had lots of obsessive thoughts and anxiety over salvation till in the end combined with doubts it just led to me getting further away from faith.
 
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Hi... I will admit this particular passage from Hebrews has puzzled me a little for years. I can only conclude perhaps the author is speaking in hyperbole as the letter was directed primarily to Jewish Christians and Jewish writing @ the time was frequently full of hyperbole. The writer exaggerates and says it's "impossible" to come back after falling away to emphasize how incredibly hard it is, but perhaps not to say it's literally impossible. (Otherwise, if it's not possible to read scripture hyperbolically in such a way, Jesus wants us to literally gouge out our eyes when our eyes cause us to sin, cut off our hands if they cause us to sin, etc.)

If you are afraid it's not possible for you to come back, I'd fall back on Luke 17:3-4 if I were you: "If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ [d]forgive him.” Jesus wouldn't have instructed his followers to do something he himself wasn't doing, so he's basically saying, "as many times as you screw up, you can come back."

God bless. He wants you back. I'm sure. :thumbsup:
 
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Hebrews 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Does this mean that if you are a Christian, and then lose your faith, that you can't come back? If it doesn't mean that, what does it mean?

Here's my understanding. The Epistle to the Hebrews was specifically addressed to a community of Jewish Christians at a time of intense pressure. Perhaps at a time when the Roman authorities had made a distinction between Judaism and Christianity (no longer treated as just a sect of Judaism), and thus external pressure existed upon the community (or communities) that in the face of possible (or actual) persecution it would be easier to revert back to Judaism. In fact it's possible that these communities (or this community) was located in or around Rome itself, at the very heart of the empire (c.f. Hebrews 13:24).

Thus the epistle is continually running on the theme that these Christians should remain firm in their faith rather than go back to their former Judaism. To this extent, the passage in question seems to be stating this in the strongest language possible, perhaps even to the point of being hyperbolic.

Taking the New Testament witness as a whole, along with the historic teaching of the Christian Church, there is always room for reconciliation for one who leaves the faith. No one can remove the indelible mark left by Holy Baptism.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Hebrews 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Does this mean that if you are a Christian, and then lose your faith, that you can't come back? If it doesn't mean that, what does it mean?

This is my understanding of these verses:
The passage is a warning to genuine believers to urge them on in Christian growth and maturity. To "fall away" is impossible (since, according to this view, true believers are eternally secure), but the phrase is placed in the sentence to strengthen the warning. It is similar to saying something like this to a class of students: "It is impossible for a student, once enrolled in this course, if he turns the clock back [which cannot be done,] to start the course over. Therefore, let all students go on to deeper knowledge." In this view the phrases in Hebrews 6:4-5 are understood to refer to the conversion experience. Notice how the words "enlightened" (Hebrews 10:32), "taste" (Hebrews 2:9), and "partakers" ("share," Hebrews 12:10) are used elsewhere in Hebrews of genuine experiences.


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Thanks for your reply hedrick. However, it still seems to be saying to me that if a person is 'enlightened' and then they fall away, that they can't get back - so a person who was saved and then goes into unbelief, can't become saved again.

I find this confusing because that seems to be what the bible says, and yet other people have said to me that God doesn't give up on a person.

edit: I just posted the above and then saw your note about the prodigal son...I do find the bible contradictory sometimes.

These things are SOO important, for each of us to settle in our own hearts and minds!! I think the most important thing to tell you is, all apparent contradictions can indeed be harmonized! It very much seems to me these things are put there intentionally, to make us actually seek G-d Himself, and not be able to rely on answers from fellow mortals. Hard work? Yes! But so so SO worth it :bow:

On the specific you're asking about here, compare it to "having "root in yourself." (See if that points you in a healthy direction)
 
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Hi Koshka,

The writer refers to a dynamic whereby if one sins willingly with full knowledge and forethought, he deadens his heart to repentance to a corresponding degree. Thus, the one who has knowingly and deliberately fully rejected Christ cannot awaken his heart again to repentance.

But this is not the whole story. Jesus tells us elsewhere that the things that are impossible with man are possible with God (Mk 10.23-27). Jesus gave so much for you to be saved, that if you appeal to the throne of grace for help in time of need, He is not going to reject you. Even when our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts and knows all things (1Jn 3.20).

Now notice where the writer goes immediately after your verses:
For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God.
But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.
Though we speak in this way, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things-things that belong to salvation.
For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do.
And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness to have the full assurance of hope until the end,
so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
-Heb 6:7-12
First, notice that the useless ground is near to being cursed, not actually cursed. He could have said it was cursed, but he didn’t. Just as a thicket has the potential to be made arable, so too does the grievous sinner have the possibility of returning to the Lord.

Next, consider the "God is not unjust" business. This would be rank works-salvation on our part and favoritism on God's if the writer intended this passage the superficial way many think. Since that is a theological impossibility, he must intend something different. And indeed, he tells us right here. Though he "speaks this way", it is to warn, and to provoke to faithfulness and good works (see also 13.22). He actually tells his readers to be patient.

I would suggest you read the entire book of Hebrews carefully. You will find that it is an unparalleled exposition of the radical difference between the covenant of law and that of grace. The writer, I'm sure, would want to be the last one to impede anyone from repenting and returning to Christ.
 
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If it applied to you, you wouldn't be open to the possibility of coming back to Christianity, which you say you are. This verse only applies to a level of rejection and hostility such that you wouldn't consider it. This verse isn't talking about shutting out people who are on the outside looking in (as Peter was, after denying Christ). This verse is telling us not to concern ourselves with hostile traitors to the faith. It's not as if God forgives most people who come to him and refuses a few others who also come to him, it's more of a matter of some people refusing God so completely and passionately that they will not come to him in the first place.
 
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If it applied to you, you wouldn't be open to the possibility of coming back to Christianity, which you say you are. This verse only applies to a level of rejection and hostility such that you wouldn't consider it. This verse isn't talking about shutting out people who are on the outside looking in (as Peter was, after denying Christ). This verse is telling us not to concern ourselves with hostile traitors to the faith. It's not as if God forgives most people who come to him and refuses a few others who also come to him, it's more of a matter of some people refusing God so completely and passionately that they will not come to him in the first place.

I agree with this interpretation. It also ties in with something Jesus said Himself:

Matthew 7:6 - “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”

Certain people are so hostile to the Gospel that they're best avoided. No good is likely to come from trying to help them, and doing so will make you become a target of their anger.

The point of the Gospel is salvation to those who don't deserve it, from the grace freely given to them. God accepts all manners of people, including Saul the killer of Christians.
 
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We have an example of the kind of person who would become what the writer of Hebrews was describing...if Simon were given the 'gift of the Holy Spirit' via the laying on of hands by an Apostle:



Acts 8:14-23


14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
 
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Thanks for your reply hedrick. However, it still seems to be saying to me that if a person is 'enlightened' and then they fall away, that they can't get back - so a person who was saved and then goes into unbelief, can't become saved again.

I find this confusing because that seems to be what the bible says, and yet other people have said to me that God doesn't give up on a person.

edit: I just posted the above and then saw your note about the prodigal son...I do find the bible contradictory sometimes.
The book of Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians who were seriously considering the abandonment of their Christian faith because of rejection by their own families.

The author of Hebrews gives four warnings in the letter against leaving the faith. The author is saying here that if they abandon their faith, there is no hope for their salvation, because they are abandoning the only remedy for sin, which is Jesus Christ. They are rejecting him like the unbelieving Jews who had him crucified rejected him, and they will die in their sin without forgiveness apart from faith in Jesus Christ and his saving work on the cross.
 
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