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Bravo Palehorse. I am shocked and amazed at how some small minds in here are soo quick to judge you. How DARE they question the good work that GOD has begun in you??? I am more convinced then ever--that satan indeed has his minions come to steal, kill and destroy. Do not let the whisperings of satanic influences discourage your new walk with your Savior. And I must add here--that if some are not careful about how they treat babes--God WILL remove them. In His way and in His time. He has done it before.

Pale--ALL of your essays that you have posted not only in this site but in other sites over the internet, have blessed many-many ppl. They have make clear, thru indepth study--some very confusing topics.

So I for one--will encourage you to keep on--keeping on--and in the judgement--we will see who's works were of God and who's weren't.

GBU-Honor
 
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Seraph1m said:
Thank you for responding. It just seems curious to me that anyone coming directly from pagan background, and baptized less than a year ago, would be placed so quickly into a "teaching" position. Though it may be remotely possible, it is very unlikely that one so new to any faith in God would be shepharding others.

One thing I can say, without question, about Adventist churches and that is pastors do not, under any circustances, relinquish the duty of ministering to Gods flock to any and everyone. It is so important that new believers are fully grounded and rooted in Gods word an in the faith of Jesus before being placed in ministry teaching others.

Peace

Excuse me seraphim--but I do believe that Pale stated that he was NOT a treacher at his church. Can you not comprehend what you read? Or did you even bother to read his response?. I seems that you were far to anxious to try to SMEAR him because of his pagan background. I consider this an underhanded FLAME!!! Your snide remarks are geting very old. Please--try to be a nice Christian--that would be so refreshing.
 
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I am a sinner and servant as many others here are. I do not think myself to be greater than any other here. As one, who has been anointed into Gods service and, who has been given the responsibility to preach and teach in the church it is also my desire to be used as God wills and not as I will.

Making the observing that pastors do not immediately put new believers over the Lords flock is not an indictment or judgement of any kind. Nor is acknowledging that we understand the brother has recently moved from paganism to Christ an indictment or judgement. Both are simply statements of fact.

I will continue to pray for you and, strongly recommend that you first take a deep breath before speaking (posting) in anger. It would also be wise that you, for those of you who do, stop making assumptions and jumping to conclusions about the intent of other members of the forum. Finally, I ask that you pray for me as I pray for you and all others in and out of the body of Christ Jesus.

Grace and Peace
 
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Seraph1m said:
I am a sinner and servant as many others here are. I do not think myself to be greater than any other here. As one, who has been anointed into Gods service and, who has been given the responsibility to preach and teach in the church it is also my desire to be used as God wills and not as I will.

Making the observing that pastors do not immediately put new believers over the Lords flock is not an indictment or judgement of any kind. Nor is acknowledging that we understand the brother has recently moved from paganism to Christ an indictment or judgement. Both are simply statements of fact.

I will continue to pray for you and, strongly recommend that you first take a deep breath before speaking (posting) in anger. It would also be wise that you, for those of you who do, stop making assumptions and jumping to conclusions about the intent of other members of the forum. Finally, I ask that you pray for me as I pray for you and all others in and out of the body of Christ Jesus.

Grace and Peace
What makes you think my post was done in anger? There was no anger felt by me when I posted what I did - so please, since you don't know me at all don't make assuptions about me. Thanks.
 
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PaleHorse said:
What makes you think my post was done in anger? There was no anger felt by me when I posted what I did - so please, since you don't know me at all don't make assuptions about me. Thanks.

... Pot... kettle... black.

Sigh... again, assumption reigns. As noted I will continue to praying for all.

Peace
 
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HoneyDew said:
If I may interject, I think Seraph1m had directed that post re anger toward Honor, not you Palehorse.

And I would like to suggest that the "Progressives" stay on their own side. Can you not get enough fighting?? Why do you have to come over here all the time and start up with us. We would prefer to be left in peace. This is exactly why this forum was split--because of your constant bickering with us. Please--stay on your "Progressive" side. Thank you.
 
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Seraph1m said:
Thank you for responding. It just seems curious to me that anyone coming directly from pagan background, and baptized less than a year ago, would be placed so quickly into a "teaching" position. Though it may be remotely possible, it is very unlikely that one so new to any faith in God would be shepharding others.

One thing I can say, without question, about Adventist churches and that is pastors do not, under any circustances, relinquish the duty of ministering to Gods flock to any and everyone. It is so important that new believers are fully grounded and rooted in Gods word an in the faith of Jesus before being placed in ministry teaching others.

Peace

I am more of a "babe" than PaleHorse is, yet I have already taught one quarter of Primary Sabbath School, and will be put back on the roster for the upcoming year. I am very involved and active in my church, there is no probationary period for those who have just joined. They are welcome to use the spiritual gifts God has given them, so I don't understand your comment of how you find it curious. I was baptized 5 months ago, and the Lord rained spiritual gifts down on me, and my church uses them.

Your hang-up appears to be with the fact that he admits he was pagan at one time. That doesn't make him any more of a sinner than any of the rest of us.

Their church is blessed to have the both of them.
 
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HoneyDew said:
If I may interject, I think Seraph1m had directed that post re anger toward Honor, not you Palehorse.
Maybe so, maybe not. And since she didn't clarify it is probably not important anyway. You see, that is why it can be so important to use that nifty "quote" button at the bottom of each post so that one's reply can be directed in a manner where there is no question as to who the post is directed towards.

Also, in her reply she didn't deny if the post I made was directed incorrectly; in fact she didn't respond in a manner that would lead anyone to believe that she wasn't talking to me. What else is one to think when there are multiple people posting to the same thread?

Pleeezzzzz....
 
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SassySDA said:
I am more of a "babe" than PaleHorse is, yet I have already taught one quarter of Primary Sabbath School, and will be put back on the roster for the upcoming year. I am very involved and active in my church, there is no probationary period for those who have just joined. They are welcome to use the spiritual gifts God has given them, so I don't understand your comment of how you find it curious. I was baptized 5 months ago, and the Lord rained spiritual gifts down on me, and my church uses them.

Your hang-up appears to be with the fact that he admits he was pagan at one time. That doesn't make him any more of a sinner than any of the rest of us.

Their church is blessed to have the both of them.
Thank you, Sassy, for the kind words. You too are a credit to your church and your growth in Christ in the short amount of time you've been baptized is astounding!

If I may add something for all to consider on this topic - let's take a look at the apostle Paul. Paul, prior to finding Christ, was a Pharisee (self-proclaimed) and he also admitted to standing by while Stephan was stoned to death (Acts 7:58). Yet, despite all this, God saw fit to make Paul the NT's most prolific writer. Now, of course I would never think to place myself on the same level as Paul, but what this does show is that God 1) and save anyone, and 2) can bestow certain gifts to His followers to edify the body of Christ. If someone wants to belittle that, well, that's their perogative - but I certainly wouldn't go there. :)
 
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honorthesabbath said:
Well Palehorse--it's just another excuse for them to gripe. They live to gripe--they can't be happy unless they are gripping.

My 2 bobs!! lol

You know? I've been observing something that just came to mind, to the point where I feel I can put it into words.

It seems to me that those of us who CHOSE, later in life, to become Adventist, appear to appreciate the church, the fellowship, the family, and truth coming from all of those things out of God's word, more than those who were born and raised in it.

I can still remember the first night I listened to Leo Schreven, and followed him along in my study bible. My mouth opened and got bigger and bigger as we went along. The Holy Spirit really blessed me that night with understanding. When Pastor Schreven first started speaking, I was certain I wasn't going to be able to keep up with him, because he talks so fast for one thing, and because I was grossly unfamiliar with my bible. It took me forever to find the books he was going to read out of. But the Holy Spirit was with me, and before I knew it I was keeping up with him pretty good. My mind was made up that very night, that I was going to leave the faith I was raised in and become Adventist. Once I started learning God's TRUTH, I was like an addict with his drug of choice...I just could NOT get enough. I felt like I had been living on the desert somewhere and had not had water in days, and all of a sudden I came upon the well of Midian. Water, in the form of knowledge rained down on me from above. How quickly I realized that though I had turned away from Jesus, He had not turned away from me. He'd been right behind me all along waiting for me to turn around and run "home", as all lost children will eventually, at least TRY to do.

I just think that maybe those who were blessed to be raised up in the truth don't understand how it feels to finally realize that you have been being taught the wrong things by PREACHERS, people who are supposed to know and understand God's word. To realize you have been stumbling around in the dark for all of those years.

As I said, I felt like Moses must have when he came upon the well at Midian. He rested there. Eventually chose a wife, and was living happily in that land of peace and plenty. God kept tugging at him however, and he eventually had to go up the mountain, and heed God's call. Just as Moses did, I am resting in the light of the truth and the loving arms of my church family that God so blessed me with.

I go out and travel...visiting other forums and chatrooms just about every day. Not to mention the witnessing I do right here in my apartment complex, and anywhere I have the opportunity. Sometimes I am met with excitement, as there are many lost folks out there who are starving to death for God's truth, more often than not I am looked at as if I have 4 eyes, and two heads. I come back here hoping to fellowship with other church members. As I have stated so many times, I don't think it's wrong or even that unusual for someone to expect to find love, harmony, and acceptance in their own church family.

We all tend to take for granted things we have always had. That's just human nature.

No, the Seventh-day Adventist church is not perfection. I'm not blind to the point of not being able to see and/or read about some of it's problems. But let me tell you something...in this church we have God's word, we have His TRUTH, no matter what. As long as we have that, we have it all as far as I am concerned.

Let us all pray for unity and love of one another.
 
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honorthesabbath said:
And I would like to suggest that the "Progressives" stay on their own side. Can you not get enough fighting?? Why do you have to come over here all the time and start up with us. We would prefer to be left in peace. This is exactly why this forum was split--because of your constant bickering with us. Please--stay on your "Progressive" side. Thank you.


Do not label me, honorthesabbath. I have not come here with fighting. There was a statement I made in an attempt to ease tension over what seemed to be a misdirected quote. I have never bickered with you. Do not ever attempt to put me in my place or tell me where to go. You are overstepping, Ma'am.


Know what though ... if it means being able to focus on my Savior and to be kind to others, and be prepared for His Second Coming, so be it. I will go where He leads and He leads into the light of His love, not into being pressed into unnecessary fighting. This is just wrong.
 
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