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beside quiet waters He restores my soul..
(2Co 10:5 NASB) We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,
To read the Scriptures with an Hebraic mindset is to read as one under the old covenant.
Some say that because Messiah was Jewish, having a Jewish mindset should be the way we should think. But I challenge the thought that Jesus is STILL Jewish. He is a brand new man, the firstfruit of a new creation... isn't that the purpose of the Feast of Firstfruits, to teach us that He is the first offering of a new creation?
(Col 3:11) a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
(Gal 6:15 NASB) For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
If anything, He is Israel, Judah being only one tribe of Israel. And no, the Jews do not include all the tribes of Israel, they are the tribe of Judah, there may be a scattering of the other tribes within them, but basically they are Judah. The other ten tribes were lost in the Diaspora, 735BC.
Isa 49:3) He said to Me, "You are My Servant, Israel, In Whom I will show My glory."
HE, is Israel, and if we are all grafted into the one vine then we have 'the mind of Christ'. Jesus also being the Head of the Body.
After putting on the mind of Messiah, we must learn to walk in the Spirit, allowing Jesus in us to lead and direct, and to walk listening to and obeying His Spirit. We can still study Torah, but now we must see with the mind of Messiah how to translate Torah into the new and living way. Torah is now written on the heart, Holy Spirit can take of that Torah to lead and guide from within and not from without. And He can do that with anyone regardless of what culture they are in.
(Heb 10:20) by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
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IamGodslittlegirl
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Tavita:
After putting on the mind of Messiah, we must learn to walk in the Spirit, allowing Jesus in us to lead and direct, and to walk listening to and obeying His Spirit. We can still study Torah, but now we must see with the mind of Messiah how to translate Torah into the new and living way. Torah is now written on the heart, Holy Spirit can take of that Torah to lead and guide from within and not from without. And He can do that with anyone regardless of what culture they are in.
Absolutely! Loved your whole post - you nailed it
After putting on the mind of Messiah, we must learn to walk in the Spirit, allowing Jesus in us to lead and direct, and to walk listening to and obeying His Spirit. We can still study Torah, but now we must see with the mind of Messiah how to translate Torah into the new and living way. Torah is now written on the heart, Holy Spirit can take of that Torah to lead and guide from within and not from without. And He can do that with anyone regardless of what culture they are in.
Absolutely! Loved your whole post - you nailed it
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I think the bible agrees on this.
Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
I'd think the prince who has power with God and with men, and has prevailed is Jesus Christ Himself. I dont think that title would apply to the jews who reject Jesus who is God.
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Mathew 2
14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
The bible here is calling Jesus the true Israel.
And Jesus claimed to be the true vine, a symbol of Israel.
John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
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beside quiet waters He restores my soul..
Yes, I totally agree. If I'd learnt this in the christian church I may have not been 'drawn in' either.
IamGodslittlegirl said:
After being on both sides of the fence, I am not real sure that teachings from a Messianic view are all that helpful [personal opinion]. It's hard to find understanding that is not biased from a Judaism perspective. The problem is that many Messianic's [broad spectrum] application to the Law and the feasts are through the interpretations of a Rabbinical system known as the Talmud [and other similar writings] which sets itself up above Torah and God's written Word. That system [Talmud] denies that Jesus is the Messiah [I am not saying that all of MJ uses talmudic interpretations].
An example: with Pesach [Passover] approaching, many, including a significant number of churches, are preparing to celebrate this feast. The Passover Seder [liturgy or guide through all the steps] is Rabbinical. The egg, 4 cups of wine, empty seat for Elijah, lamb bone shank, afikomen, blessings, prayers, etc are all additions not found in Torah. These additions, Rabbinical in origin, are used by believers to reinterpret and apply to Jesus' Sacrifice. I ask myself, what does a system that denies Christ as the Perfect Sacrifice have to tell me about my Jesus
I found this to be woefully so too. I also found the liturgy to be too centred in the old covenant Exodus and hardly spoke at all of the greater Exodus since Jesus resurrection, or the Exodus to come. So what I did was write my own Pesach liturgy using the Messianic as a guide. My kids and myself had the best time ever, and my girls and I were able to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to those there who weren't believers.
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