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Or maybe we just read our Bibles.I am wondering if maybe some of the impetus for "Torah observant christianity" has come, at least in part, from the split of the Worldwide Church of God that Herbert W Armstrong started back in the early 20th century and that split not too long after his death (of old age) in 1986. His religion taught seventh day sabbath observance, keeping the ancient Israelite feasts, and various other things that have become a catch cry among the "Torah observant" movement. Maybe some of the churches advocating "Torah observance" are connected in some way, either through pastors or core members, to the Herbert W Armstrong religion?
Messiah is still here in the very active form of His Spirit, (the Holy Spirit) who is both distinct and inseperable from Him.Messiah has come already and will come again. Perhaps your post meant to speak of the coming again promised in holy scripture? (John 14:3)
Not a myth. The myth is that the followers of constantine's religion are somehow the orthodoxy of the true God.I see that your post relies on the oft repeated myth of Constantine changing the Law of God and other things too. What is the basis for your post's fanciful claim and can you document it from credible sources?
Come on now, everyone knows they spoke King James, just like Jesus and the disciples.I didn't say anything about Adam and Eve. Do you think they spoke Latin? LOL
Lawlessness?
That has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.
For the first 10 to 15 years after the resurrection, virtually ALL of the followers of the Messiah were Jews.
Paul's first missionary journey did not happen before 40CE. Jews did not make a habit of interacting with non-Jews, especially, the more religious. (Acts 10:28)
Judaism and Rabbinic Judaism are not the same thing. However, most of the earliest members of the way would have been practitioners of one or the other. By definition, that would make them a sect. That sect grew. On Shavu'ot it grew by 3,000.
The people gathered there:
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
...for the most part, yes.
Christianity has ignored the first 70% of the Bible. The first 70% is necessary to understand the last 30%.
You can't start watching a play at Act III and know what is going on.
Christianity teaches the doctrine of the Nicolaitans and the doctrine of Balaam. (Revelation, chapter 2)
If Jesus hates them, it would be a good idea to know what they are. Until you do, you will not see the error.
Messiah is still here in the very active form of His Spirit, (the Holy Spirit) who is both distinct and inseperable from Him.
You don't seem to understand the difference between the religion of Judaism and a person being ethnically a Jew.
Thanks for verifying what many of us have been saying about HRM.
By fulfilling the Law Jesus brings to full fruition all that the Law pointed to pictorially and custodially. The externality of conformity to the Law's demands is displaced and replaced by the internality of the presence of Jesus Himself, "the law written in our hearts".
He does understand... it just isn't an easy concept to convey when we have 2000 years of looking at a certain people through a particular lens. He is saying that Judaism WITHOUT rabbinic/Pharisaical influence is pure... it is what was given at Sinai, it is simply God's people walking according to God's instructions. Once man begins to chime in and pass decrees and create fences around commandments, SOME things are still in order and some things are not. Yeshua stood against the things that were not, he was NOT against all things within Judaism. If you think that, respectfully, you're wrong. We can show him doing things that appear in the Talmud and not in the bible.
Agreed, the only problem is, the law isn't written on your heart, yet. If it were you couldn't sin, if it were there would be no need to teach, if it were all would know YHWH. But all don't know YHWH, there is still a need to teach, and you can sin. That is why Paul (not me, Paul) called what we do have in 2 Cor. 1:22 and 5:5 an EARNEST, a down payment.... which by definition means, "there is more to come." The more to come is the completion of the law on our hearts... a work that has begun but is by FAR nor completed yet. So you are looking inside for something that isn't fully there, yet.
He does understand... it just isn't an easy concept to convey when we have 2000 years of looking at a certain people through a particular lens. He is saying that Judaism WITHOUT rabbinic/Pharisaical influence is pure... it is what was given at Sinai, it is simply God's people walking according to God's instructions. Once man begins to chime in and pass decrees and create fences around commandments, SOME things are still in order and some things are not. Yeshua stood against the things that were not, he was NOT against all things within Judaism. If you think that, respectfully, you're wrong. We can show him doing things that appear in the Talmud and not in the bible.
Agreed, the only problem is, the law isn't written on your heart, yet.
No, he doesn't. If he did he wouldn't keep thinking of the ethnic Jews who came out of Judaism as still being a part of it.
No, he doesn't. If he did he wouldn't keep thinking of the ethnic Jews who came out of Judaism as still being a part of it.
Do not assume that what is true for you is true for me. That the law isn't yet written on your heart is a problem for you, not me.
Exactly! Peter is a wonderful example of this. After receiving visions from the Lord, Peter realized that God was not worried in the New Covenant as to whether certain meets were considered clean or unclean. Peter grew in his understanding of what Jesus had really done under the New Covenant and how it had moved away from traditional Judaism.
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