heavyness

[greybeard]

Hello all, and God bless

I was wondering about something that happened to me a little while back. where our children see their doctor is on the third floor of trinty east hospital, it is also a cancer treatment center, well two of our children had to see the doctor for the flu. and as we walked down the hall to their visit, I noticed a doctor for cancer patients and all the people in there, at once my heart went out to these and said a prayer on the way by. well we had to go back in two weeks, and in all that time I could not get these cancer patients out of my mind. on the next visit walking down the hall the closer I got to the cancer office the more a feeling of heavyness came over me tears started to flow, my wife and kids started to think some thing was wrong with me until I told them what it was. on the way by, this time I put my hand on the door and said a prayer. well for some reason we had to go back, i was a little worried about going back, I never had anything affect me like this, and anyway the kids seemed fine. we went back and this time as soon as the elevator hit the third floor the tears came and the heavyness that hit me was so strong I almost could not stand, crying and praying and holding on to the walls I got to the cancer office and layed my hand on the hall window and prayed, then this feeling slowly started to go away, the thing is it was a bit scary but I did not want it to go away, I wanted to hold on to this forever, anybody ever feel this way.

Lee

 

[sweetrevival]

You have felt the heart of God, crying over the ugliness of people dying from a disease that does not exist. Jesus destroyed it, and man still nurtures it.

 

[s_gunter]

You have felt the heart of God, crying over the ugliness of people dying from a disease that does not exist. Jesus destroyed it, and man still nurtures it.

This is an honest question: What do you mean by "a disease that does not exist?" Would you explain your thinking to me so I'll understand a little better?

I assure you, this is not me being sarcastic in any way. I just want to know how you are thinking about this.

 

[sweetrevival]

s - Jesus took all things to the Cross with Him. They are no more. When you come to know Him and trust Him and love Him and He lives in and with and around you, these things are already defeated in our lives.

I guess I was being 'spiritual' in that comment, because I know full well that in the world people die of cancer every day. But in Jesus eyes they are dying of something He destroyed.

Can you see what I mean? We only give it life, because we accept is as fact.

But it comes into man's life because man does not let Jesus guide him in everything. And by that I mean, the way man thinks, eats, lives, exercises, watches, listens to. The world is full of little barbs that cause sin and death. We can never totally be free of them because we live in the world, but if Jesus has freed us from the fear of ever suffering from things like cancer, then why aren't Christians for the most part resistant to ever getting it?

Because we still act like we are part of the world and still participate in the things that bring illness.

I hope I explained that right. God bless.

 

[JimB]

You have felt the heart of God, crying over the ugliness of people dying from a disease that does not exist. Jesus destroyed it, and man still nurtures it.

You need to clarify this, SR. Disease does exist. If I am not sick how can I call for the elders of the church to anoint me and pray for my healing?

I think I know what you are saying, but the honest truth is, disease exists just a sure as sin does. Christians Scientists are the ones that say it doesn’t. The Bible says it does.

~Jim

 

[JimB]

Sorry, SR. I see you did answer the question in the post above. However, I do not exactly see it the way you do. Positionally (i.e., theologically), Christ has forgiven every sin, too, but actually not every sin is forgiven until the requirements for forgiveness are met. The same is true with sickness.

~Jim

 

[sweetrevival]

Sorry, SR. I see you did answer the question in the post above. However, I do not exactly see it the way you do. Positionally (i.e., theologically), Christ has forgiven every sin, too, but actually not every sin is forgiven until the requirements for forgiveness are met. The same is true with sickness.

~Jim

Agreed Jim, but the difference regarding sickness is what?

The Law and Jesus. both offer freedom from sickness. Yes, I know the Law is for carnal man and Jesus is for the Spirit man, but God put into the law healing and freedom from disease too, if you look closely.

Hygienic scientists have examined the law and deduced that a man who follows the teachings in the ot, would keep himself healthy and well, apart perhaps, from the destination of their soul.

God's laws are as sound as Jesus's teachings, they just do not give us the eternal life that Jesus did. And please, I don't mean that flippantly.

Before Jesus came, God still loved His creation and desired good for it. And offered it good. His law was good too, it just was impossible for man in his own strength to obey. Hence the ultimate law in Jesus.

Sin is the cause of disease, would you agree? And I do not mean every sick person is sick because they sinned. I mean, sin entered the world and disease is a result of that corruption.

But God gave, even ot man, an antidote to that disease attacking him. He gave basic, solid, health-based laws, which still work today. We just choose not to participate in them.

 

[Emma!]

Hello all, and God bless

I was wondering about something that happened to me a little while back. where our children see their doctor is on the third floor of trinty east hospital, it is also a cancer treatment center, well two of our children had to see the doctor for the flu. and as we walked down the hall to their visit, I noticed a doctor for cancer patients and all the people in there, at once my heart went out to these and said a prayer on the way by. well we had to go back in two weeks, and in all that time I could not get these cancer patients out of my mind. on the next visit walking down the hall the closer I got to the cancer office the more a feeling of heavyness came over me tears started to flow, my wife and kids started to think some thing was wrong with me until I told them what it was. on the way by, this time I put my hand on the door and said a prayer. well for some reason we had to go back, i was a little worried about going back, I never had anything affect me like this, and anyway the kids seemed fine. we went back and this time as soon as the elevator hit the third floor the tears came and the heavyness that hit me was so strong I almost could not stand, crying and praying and holding on to the walls I got to the cancer office and layed my hand on the hall window and prayed, then this feeling slowly started to go away, the thing is it was a bit scary but I did not want it to go away, I wanted to hold on to this forever, anybody ever feel this way.

Lee

Yes i have a few times...
one time i was at my in-laws and my sister in-law was there too, i was in the spare room just minding my own business not thinking about anything much and suddenly i burst out in tears and felt everything that i believe my sister in-law was feeling (she was in the room next to me)...its hard to explain...my husband came in to the room that i was in and i told him what i was seeing and feeling and saying how much his sister needs him etc etc and then it just ended....i felt fine again.

I kept praying for her as did my husband and we found out that she was having VERY sever depression (i wont go into it) anyway we kept just speaking to her and praying for her etc and since then she has been TOTALLY healed of all that stuff, God has brought her out of it PRAISE HIS NAME!!! She is in a new church, totally on fire and in love with God, she truely is a new creation!! Im so proud of her and so so so thankful to God!!

I believe that God can use our emotions to prompt us to interceed for others, to lift them up before God or speak to them etc etc and it is very important to obey and be willing and prayerful.

Thats really great that you prayed for those people, God would have done great things with those prayers because they were prompted by God Himself!

God bless you and continue to use you in this way!

 

[greybeard]

Emma

thank you for your help

God bless

 

[Br_Rhoades]

Hello all, and God bless

I was wondering about something that happened to me a little while back. where our children see their doctor is on the third floor of trinty east hospital, it is also a cancer treatment center, well two of our children had to see the doctor for the flu. and as we walked down the hall to their visit, I noticed a doctor for cancer patients and all the people in there, at once my heart went out to these and said a prayer on the way by. well we had to go back in two weeks, and in all that time I could not get these cancer patients out of my mind. on the next visit walking down the hall the closer I got to the cancer office the more a feeling of heavyness came over me tears started to flow, my wife and kids started to think some thing was wrong with me until I told them what it was. on the way by, this time I put my hand on the door and said a prayer. well for some reason we had to go back, i was a little worried about going back, I never had anything affect me like this, and anyway the kids seemed fine. we went back and this time as soon as the elevator hit the third floor the tears came and the heavyness that hit me was so strong I almost could not stand, crying and praying and holding on to the walls I got to the cancer office and layed my hand on the hall window and prayed, then this feeling slowly started to go away, the thing is it was a bit scary but I did not want it to go away, I wanted to hold on to this forever, anybody ever feel this way.

Lee

Many times it is the heart of intercession, it is a gift of all prayer from the Holy Ghost that reaches into the will of the Father. I have had times that I have felt deep prayer needs in the night and then started preaching in tongues like I had been moved to some other location to minister. I have touched others in this way that I will never know fact to face till I get to heaven. Nurture this gift and be open to God’s guidance, obedient to his call. Remember if you need wisdom ask God, he will give you full measure.

 

[Mark Downham]

This kind of heaviness is the substance of Heaven being released through you in a form of prophetic intercession - Jesus had the same response to the death of Lazarus - it can actually trigger a divine shift and release heaven into the earthly places - this kind of prayer moves mountains -heaven opens and His glory is revealed.