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Heaven?

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Hello Everyone!

For intro (or re-intro to some folks) purposes, I consider myself more of a "puristic" Christian than a denominational follower of Christ. Otherwise I'm a born/raised/schooled Catholic who still hears weekly Mass with my wife.

What has gnawed at me in the recent past is the significance of earthly life as it relates to heaven: is heaven a state that one attains only after earthly life, or is it attainable during one's earthly life?

After much research and reflection, a hypothesis emerged: Not only does it appear attainable, but it seems to have been God's intention in the first place.

This theory was supported by personal experiences where, upon application of Christ's teaching to love others unconditionally (particularly in situations where anger and hostility were the natural responses), I had a feeling of sublime peace.

Could those periods of sublime peace be similar to - or, actually - the heaven promised by Christ and pronounced by St. John the Baptist ("repent for the kingdom of God is at hand")?

My answer was yes, but it remained a questionable stance to my devout and orthodox Catholic wife and clan in general.

Yesterday, we hosted breakfast for the assistant vicar of the Catholic parish where my wife is the music director, and I asked him what he believes to be heaven.

He said without hesitation, "Heaven is a state of the mind and spirit that exists whenever a person, even in his/her earthly life, follows God's will. One doesn't have to transition from earthly existence to experience heaven."

That, for me, was a liberation on many fronts.

What are your thoughts/experiences in this area of faith?
 

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I've often seen our earthly lives as a giant combo of hell, heaven, and purgatory all rolled up into one. Those moments of sublime bliss and terrible hell we see and endure are glimpses - holes poked into our earthly consciousness. I'd like to think then that after we die our afterlife is the fullest of one of those glimpses. So when we experience heaven on earth we get glimpses of what's to come when we make it there. I've no idea if what I'm saying is Biblical - just kind of how I see it.
 
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I've often seen our earthly lives as a giant combo of hell, heaven, and purgatory all rolled up into one. Those moments of sublime bliss and terrible hell we see and endure are glimpses - holes poked into our earthly consciousness. I'd like to think then that after we die our afterlife is the fullest of one of those glimpses. So when we experience heaven on earth we get glimpses of what's to come when we make it there. I've no idea if what I'm saying is Biblical - just kind of how I see it.

I think that's quite an astute and even beautiful way to put it, especially the proposition that when we die, "our afterlife is the fullest of one of those glimpses." :)
 
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There are 24 hours in a day...
...Did You Say You Love God?

That's passionate. I think each one of us has a unique way of loving God, and I can see how you go about loving Him. And you bring up a good point.

This end (and I had to think about it, to be honest), I believe that I love Jesus when I love others. In doing so, I affirm and celebrate His purpose for creating us.
 
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Who do you love when you disobey Jesus?

Well, I guess I end up loving my "other" self. Which some may refer to as the evil one, or the flesh.

As Jesus said (Matthew 6:24):"No one can serve two masters, or he will either hate one and love the other."

That considered, there looks to be no middle ground...
 
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Well, I guess I end up loving my "other" self. Which some may refer to as the evil one, or the flesh.

As Jesus said (Matthew 6:24):"No one can serve two masters, or he will either hate one and love the other."

That considered, there looks to be no middle ground...

that was one of our readings at Mass last weekend! :)
 
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