Hearing voices

[LewisWildermuth]

I thought i saw a ufo blast into hyper space once.

I think it was jut my eyes readjusting to the light; unexplained auditory phenomena I believe works in the same way; also, deja vu is also related.

but then again, how come angels ghosts and spirits couldnt exist?

just throwing out some possibilities...

Well, the topic of this thread is auditory hallucinations, not angels, ghosts, or spirits. If you wish to talk about those then feel free to start a new thread.

 

[mpok1519]

well, i dunno; isnt there evidence of ghosts sometimes and stuff like that?

how come that cannot be tangently related?

 

[mpok1519]

paug>> auditory hallucinations and visual hallucinations are related to some degree i suppose.

 

[Veritas21]

Deja vu occurs, i understand, when nerve impulses misfire from the memory cortex's, mistakingly between short- and long-term memory areas. So what occurs now (short-term) actually feels to have occurred earlier (long term). Can't remember the precise mechanisms.

Deja vu is thought to occur within the hippocampus but the exact mechanisms responsible for it are still being investigated. There are a few plausible theories such as the one you have listed above, but the investigation of deja vu does not receive significant attention simply because it does not hurt anyone and knowledge about it is not particularly profitable.

why wouldn't angels ghosts and spirits exist? What do you mean by exist? (i.e. in someone's imagination, or materially EXIST, that is, be composed of matter or energy)

I have rationally explained the psychological factors surrounding the "hearing of voices" and can specify in greater detail if needed. My explanation should rule out a religious explanation. The subjective existence of ghosts, angels, or spirits is certainly possible (people think they exist because they can picture such things in their mind) but the material or objective existence of such things is rediculous. Please post if you have further questions about this phenomenon, but please don't bog this post down with useless, uneducated thoughts. Know something then state your opinion. Do not speculate.

 

[Veritas21]

well, i dunno; isnt there evidence of ghosts sometimes and stuff like that?

There is absolutely NO such evidence anywhere.

how come that cannot be tangently related?

No evidence for ghosts or anything like that, therefore they are not related whatsoever. The closest evidence to spiritual anything was guided by the misunderstanding of psychological illnesses. In the past, people did not have the understanding of neural science and biopsychology that we have today. Mental illnesses which can be easily explained by our present science was non existant, so (as always when people don't know something) such occurences were attributed to some "phantom" spiritual world, demon, or ghost.

 

[paug]

Please post if you have further questions about this phenomenon, but please don't bog this post down with useless, uneducated thoughts. Know something then state your opinion. Do not speculate.

It seems I've been misunderstood. mpok was the first to entertain thoughts about ghosts and spirits, asking whether they exist. I responded to that by first stating his question, then continuing:

why wouldn't angels ghosts and spirits exist? What do you mean by exist? (i.e. in someone's imagination, or materially EXIST, that is, be composed of matter or energy)

I was challenging his question, not asking any of my own. My questions were only rhetoric to show that this thread is developing in the wrong direction, and the subject he was trailing on is too massive to discuss "on the side" - and that the thread should get back on track.

 

[Veritas21]

My apologies. I was simply addressing the question itself. I don't particularly care from whom it was derived, I just wanted to address it. Thank you for the clarification though.

 

[paug]

well, i dunno; isnt there evidence of ghosts sometimes and stuff like that?

Well, you're right, if singular instances of poltergeists, returned souls etc.(by religious zealots, more often than not) is what you'd call evidence.

 

[mpok1519]

I think that the documented evidence of ghosts/spirits is prevelant these days; whether or not these are related to hallucinating, its up in the air.

I dunno if I believe in them personally, but I wouldn't be suprised if they did exist.

 

[keith99]

Auditory halucinations are quote common, and many people report having heard things they KNOW where not real. I've had it happen to me once or twice.

Usually its blamed on the brains tendency to "fill in the blanks" and find patterns... usually the system works pretty well, but occasionally it misfires and identifies something as being there when it isn't, and fills in the gaps to give a false positive.

Its not unusual, and it doesn't mean your mum is nuts. It doesn't become a problem until it is happening frequently, or you can no longer distinguish between the halucination and reality.

I've never had this happen as to seeing or hearing things that were not there. But it is common to hear 'voices on the wind'.

A related thing that happens to me fairly often is mistaking a stick for a snake or some branches for a person. The mind abstracts things, fills in the blanks and gives an image of a whole. Think in survival terms. If I mistake a branch or even a shadow for a snake 10 times what have I lost? 5 minutes? If I mistake a snake (rattle) for a branch what might I lose? Everything!

On hearing how often has your mind filled in the sounds to make a word? Think it has not happened to you? Think of all the songs you have ever heard on the radio. You would be rare indeed if you didn't have at lesat some of the words to some song wrong, yet were sure of your wrong words.

This is likely just the same things gone farther.

EDIT:

It didn't tell her anything, she just heard her name called.

This is perhaps the most common thing the mind seem to abstract into, your own name. Far better to think someone called yuor name when they did not than to miss it when they did. I do not recall it ever having happened to me when no one said anything, but mistaking other sounds for my name has happened to me several times.

 

[paug]

I think that the documented evidence of ghosts/spirits is prevelant these days; whether or not these are related to hallucinating, its up in the air.

I dunno if I believe in them personally, but I wouldn't be suprised if they did exist.

Well would you mind providing some of this "documented evidence"?

I mean NOT singular instances.

 

[mpok1519]

Well would you mind providing some of this "documented evidence"?

I mean NOT singular instances.

Do some research; theres TONS of video documented evidence, some of which are incredible, others seem like the real mccoy. Its up to you to decide which ones are real or not, however.

 

[pgp_protector]

Do some research; theres TONS of video documented evidence, some of which are incredible, others seem like the real mccoy. Its up to you to decide which ones are real or not, however.

Well all the ones I've personally seen look fake / could be faked.

Have any that can't be faked to point us to ?

 

[mpok1519]

Ive only seen a few that looked "real" but these usually involved orb phenomena.

I found this one, but to me it looked like fireflies from a sceptical critique; yet with an unbiased eye, it looks kinda compelling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xlyofmznOs

I don't know, but it was cool to watch.

Also, did anyone se on Yahoo.com about the new chupacabra sighting? lol

 

[pgp_protector]

Ive only seen a few that looked "real" but these usually involved orb phenomena.

I found this one, but to me it looked like fireflies from a sceptical critique; yet with an unbiased eye, it looks kinda compelling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xlyofmznOs

I don't know, but it was cool to watch.

Also, did anyone se on Yahoo.com about the new chupacabra sighting? lol

Quality is so low, it's hard to tell anything.
Almost looks like a distortion filter or something.

 

[mpok1519]

most videos ghosts are usually too grainy; the video cameras arent ever great.

theres some freaky ones on youtube that are more scary than conclusive. ~nod~

 

[Nathan45]

I've never heard voices but i often get scratching noices, persistant for years now. *scratch scratch scratch*. happens about once a week or sometimes more often and lasts for several minutes. It's a little creepy, actually. At first ( several years ago ) i thought it was just the air conditioner, or some pipes or something, didn't think at all about it, took me months ( years? hard to be sure when it started ) to realize it wasn't real.

always the same noise, "scratch scratch scratch". I finally figured out exactly what it sounds like, it sounds exactly like my eyelashes brushing up against a pillow. Probably a common sound i'd hear while sleeping ( i have really long eyelashes) and I guess that I get it so often it's been hardwired in.

creepy enough? but they say that stuff like that is nothing to worry about.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Do some research; theres TONS of video documented evidence, some of which are incredible, others seem like the real mccoy. Its up to you to decide which ones are real or not, however.

There is absolutely no evidence for ghosts, spirits and the plethora of other entities anywhere. If you are stupid enough to believe a few badly dubbed video’s that your prerogative, but as far as science goes there are no such things.

 

[mpok1519]

i dunno.

lifes funny though.

 

[paug]

Do some research; theres TONS of video documented evidence, some of which are incredible, others seem like the real mccoy. Its up to you to decide which ones are real or not, however.

(refutation)

Ive only seen a few that looked "real" but these usually involved orb phenomena.

I found this one, but to me it looked like fireflies from a sceptical critique; yet with an unbiased eye, it looks kinda compelling.

[...]

I don't know, but it was cool to watch.

(refutation)

most videos ghosts are usually too grainy; the video cameras arent ever great.

theres some freaky ones on youtube that are more scary than conclusive. ~nod~

(refutation)

i dunno.

lifes funny though.

Chronological quotes from mpok - the degradation of confidence.


Wasn't too difficult : D