So, how does every one weigh in on this teaching from 1 Corinthians 11? If you say it's cultural, why does Paul appeal to 'creation' and 'nature'? Why is it that no one does this anymore yet it was the practice in the church up until the last 50 years? Have we gotten so much wiser than over 19 millenia of other saints (including those of the Reformation?) I say we bring it back.
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Reading on of R. C. Sproul books on the topic:
For example, when Jesus sent out the seventy disciples on a mission of evangelism, he told them to take no shoes with them. That does not mean that all preaching and all evangelism for all times and all places has to be done in bare feet. Billy Graham is not sinning by wearing shoes when he preaches the gospel. Bu there are many questions like that that are not so obvious. In that whole context of the eleventh chapter of 1 Corinthians, women are called to cover their heads with a veil as a sign of their willingness to submit to the leadership or headshiop of their husbands. There are three elements here:
1. The submission of the wife to the husband as the head of the home
2. The covering of the head
3. The covering of the head by a veil
How much is principle and how much is custom?
Many Christians believe that we should no longer tell women to submit to the headship of their husbands. Therefore, women don't have to cover their heads. Others say that the headship principle still stands in the home, but the covering of the head was cultural custom that does not carry over into our day, and therefore the veil would be insignificant as well.
The third view of this passage is that it is describing a principle, and that women must cover their heads and use veils to do so.
I am convinced that when Paul says the women are to cover their heads, he is basing that action on how God created male and female. It would seem to me, using a principle of interpretation of what we call hermeneutics, that if there ever an indication of a perpetual ordinance in the church, it is that which is based on an appeal to Creation.
I'm persuaded that the principle of covering the head is still in effect because it was built into creation. And even though it's not culturally accepted anymore in our society, I still believe it's priniciple. I don't think it matters one bit whether it's a babushka, a veil, or a hat, but I think that the symbol should remain intact as a sign of our obedience to God.
1. The submission of the wife to the husband as the head of the home
2. The covering of the head
3. The covering of the head by a veil
How much is principle and how much is custom?
Many Christians believe that we should no longer tell women to submit to the headship of their husbands. Therefore, women don't have to cover their heads. Others say that the headship principle still stands in the home, but the covering of the head was cultural custom that does not carry over into our day, and therefore the veil would be insignificant as well.
The third view of this passage is that it is describing a principle, and that women must cover their heads and use veils to do so.
I am convinced that when Paul says the women are to cover their heads, he is basing that action on how God created male and female. It would seem to me, using a principle of interpretation of what we call hermeneutics, that if there ever an indication of a perpetual ordinance in the church, it is that which is based on an appeal to Creation.
I'm persuaded that the principle of covering the head is still in effect because it was built into creation. And even though it's not culturally accepted anymore in our society, I still believe it's priniciple. I don't think it matters one bit whether it's a babushka, a veil, or a hat, but I think that the symbol should remain intact as a sign of our obedience to God.
R.C. Sproul, "Now, That's a Good Question", Pages 347-348
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Orthodox as well many Anabaptist Denominations, in which women do cover their heads. However, headcovering is a personal choice between a woman and God simply because she loves the Lord and wants to submit to Him. It's a matter of woman's understanding of spiritual submission; that it's one of self-denial, surrender andobedience to the one Who first loved us. So this is simply one must realize that the veiling is a symbol of a biblical, spiritual truth regardless what denomination we go to. Christian women who are willing to wear the veiling because it is the symbol of their place in God's order with an attitude toward the Word along with discipleship and obedience. The primary purpose of the sign of the veiled head is to show God's headship order, and the faithful submission to her part in it. One can only fully understand the deep principles it represents when they are experiencing them in their heart and walking them out in their daily life. A woman just feel the conviction (from the Holy Spirit) to wear a headcovering.
For my wife, headcovering is a personal choice between a woman and God simply because she loves the Lord and wants to submit to Him. It's a matter of woman's understanding of spiritual submission; that it's one of self-denial, surrender andobedience to the one Who first loved us. So this is simply one must realize that the veiling is a symbol of a biblical, spiritual truth regardless what denomination you go to. Christian women who are willing to wear the veiling because it is the symbol of their place in God's order with an attitude toward the Word along with discipleship and obedience. The primary purpose of the sign of the veiled head is to show God's headship order, and the faithful submission to her part in it. One can only fully understand the deep principles it represents when they are experiencing them in their heart and walking them out in their daily life. A woman just feel the conviction (from the Holy Spirit) to wear a headcovering.
In greek, there are two different meanings of the word head (kephale). One is a reference to the physical head, the skull, of the man and the woman. The other is a reference to the source and authority of Christ, the man and the woman. Commentators are divided on the meaning of the Greek word kephale (head). Some interpret it to mean source, while others maintain that it signifies authority. Some scholars have examined the evidence and discovered that the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, records a number of places where the term head figuratively means chief or ruler.
My wife and I both believe that this applies to "the source and authority of Christ, the man and the woman".
I told my wife that I will support her whether she wears a cover or not. This is HER relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ. If she wants to wear one, I am happy. If she does not want to wear one, I am equally happy. I just don't want to "hinder" her relationship with God. I am using Romans 14:1-23, to allow God to temper our passions and the truth of God to guide our convictions. If my wife feels the convictions from the Holy Spirit, who am I to hinder her relationship with God?
For my wife, headcovering is a personal choice between a woman and God simply because she loves the Lord and wants to submit to Him. It's a matter of woman's understanding of spiritual submission; that it's one of self-denial, surrender andobedience to the one Who first loved us. So this is simply one must realize that the veiling is a symbol of a biblical, spiritual truth regardless what denomination you go to. Christian women who are willing to wear the veiling because it is the symbol of their place in God's order with an attitude toward the Word along with discipleship and obedience. The primary purpose of the sign of the veiled head is to show God's headship order, and the faithful submission to her part in it. One can only fully understand the deep principles it represents when they are experiencing them in their heart and walking them out in their daily life. A woman just feel the conviction (from the Holy Spirit) to wear a headcovering.
In greek, there are two different meanings of the word head (kephale). One is a reference to the physical head, the skull, of the man and the woman. The other is a reference to the source and authority of Christ, the man and the woman. Commentators are divided on the meaning of the Greek word kephale (head). Some interpret it to mean source, while others maintain that it signifies authority. Some scholars have examined the evidence and discovered that the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, records a number of places where the term head figuratively means chief or ruler.
My wife and I both believe that this applies to "the source and authority of Christ, the man and the woman".
I told my wife that I will support her whether she wears a cover or not. This is HER relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ. If she wants to wear one, I am happy. If she does not want to wear one, I am equally happy. I just don't want to "hinder" her relationship with God. I am using Romans 14:1-23, to allow God to temper our passions and the truth of God to guide our convictions. If my wife feels the convictions from the Holy Spirit, who am I to hinder her relationship with God?
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