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Have you been immersed (baptized) in water?
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When Jesus said that what He meant was that anyone who is saved is saved only because of what He has done. He was not saying "you must believe this, that or the other thing about me". It is His sacrifice that save not what one believes. However that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
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I'm having a hard time understanding how people can say that there is nothing we can do to be saved and then turn around and boldly state that we must do something (believe) to be saved. Some even say that one must repeat a "sinner's prayer," but yet insist that one is doing nothing to be saved.
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You are splitting hairs here and your argument is of no value. Of course we must acknowledge God and His gift of salvation but it is not that which saves us. It is Jesus' sacrifice that provides our salvation and only Jesus' sacrifice: "No man comes to the father except by me."
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What does James really mean when he says "not by works"? It doesn't mean "no action". It means you can't earn your way to heaven. But it does not mean you don't have to do anything. Jesus told us to go out into the world. He told us to feed people. He told us to take care of the eldderly. Granted not to be saved but to show who you are. BUT, He told us things not to do. So to say that all we have to do is have faith then that gives me the right to do everything and not worry anymore. If no "works" can save you then no "works" will condemn you and that is not true. We are called to do things. The water will not save you. Prayer alone will not save you. Because prayer is an action and by the distortion people make of James' word the prayer would be no good. Well of course it is! But is still is an action. People misunderstand what James was saying. This is not the ticket to just sit around and doing nothing and say we are saved. He planily meant you can not earn it. You can not bribe your way.
Now keep in mind I don't think the Bible says you are going to hell without baptism because only God can make that final decision. But to say there is no importance of it is probably not the wisest thing.
Now keep in mind I don't think the Bible says you are going to hell without baptism because only God can make that final decision. But to say there is no importance of it is probably not the wisest thing.
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Michael is right here. And it goes with what I am saying. Obedience is an action. So is disobedience. Being obedient means doing righteous things, not just what seems righteous as in "this will make me look good", such as indulgences, pennance and things. Good post Michael.
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To me, Mathew 28 :19 is telling us to be baptized . I finally became obedient and was baptized July 15 2012. 
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To me, Mathew 28 :19 is telling us to be baptized . I finally became obedient and was baptized July 15 2012.
praise God .may he bless you ever increasingly in the knowledge of his grace and wisdom and n knowing him daily more and more
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