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I have attended church amost all my life. And right now I am not sure why. My wife and I have been attending a church in our area for about a year now. I have been going through some bad times for the past two years Mostly medical problems that keep me from looking for working. But know the problems are taken care of and I have started my job search again. My wife and I both are on medication she takes about 20 pills a day and I take about 10.

With all of these expences we are not able to make our car insurance payment that is comming due. So we contacted our church about this and after almost a month of waighting we were told No.

If a person attends church and atempts to get involved in what is going on there and they still turn down one of there own members who needs help.
I don't understand. What is the point, why attend church I can worshop god in my own home. Who go?

I am not a very happy person right know!!!!!
 
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You know I felt the same way at a certain point in my life. I was like WHAT'S THE POINT OF ALL THIS?!?! But then, I stopped going and began to fall into more and more sin, and now I'm beginning to have to take care of all that. It's not easy when you fall back in Christ and know there are greater things ahead of you that you can't seem to find them at the moment. ANYWAYS...personally, I think you're happy...you're just not willing to admit it! LOL Sorry, that's just my personal opinion on that... Anyways, God always provides...that's my advice on your situation. Don't worry about what you'll eat, wear, etc. He already knows before you ask. That's all the advice I can provide on that...God Bless and I know the Lord will provide for your situation.
 
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RSteel is right, going to church can help us to keep our focus on Christ. We have not been able because of job schedule to attend church for about 4 1/2 years. Recently schedules changed and though the church we are going to fails to see the needs and meet them, attending goes a long way in reminding us where our focus needs to be. It is important to remember that God did not abandon you but the church did.

Part of God's work in our lives is to challenge us and others around us to a deeper love and understanding of God. The reaction of the church should be a motivator for you and your wife to be giving according to God's commands as well and maybe it is God's plan for you to start a group of people who are committed to loving God through their giving and careing love. It is an art that the church no longer deems valuable but is in reality close to God's heart. In our own lives, we sleep on the floor, have been threatened with loosing our job because of lack of gas or tires, in the past we have lived in tents, had only bread to eat, etc. And the churches usual answer to our 7 days a week, 14-16 hrs. work days is 1. come to Christ and you will no longer live in poverty (already there) and 2. If you stopped being lazy, and started trying you would be fine (note 7 day, 14-16 hrs. work days). No where in scripture do we read this type of reaction to people's needs and it should never exist in the church, however, for those who are suffering through this type of financial trauma, sometimes, it is enough to know that there are others suffering as well and those who understand and are praying and would give you the world if you asked and they had it to give.

May God grant you peace as you wait for Him to reveal His plan for your life. May God bring into your lives the followers who reflect Himself in every aspect of their lives that you might be renewed by the image of Christ that their lives mirror.
 
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Life is frustratingly hard!! I am not happy that your church turned you down. Have you asked the Pastor why and what he would suggest you do?

all for JESUS!!
lonnie (suffering with JESUS today ("good" Friday)
 
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You know I have sent the pastor a letter and e-mail and even tried to get an appointment to talk to him. To this day I have not heard a word from them. Just a rejection letter.

I can't help but to think that some one is blocking all of my attempts to speak to him.

It is a very large church and at one time they had made the news in my area because of a project that thay were tyring to do call the Steeple of light. They needed a premite from the FCC.

But anyway he really dosn't seem to me that he is that kind of person to egnor sone one.

Forgive the spelling!
 
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In one word 'materialistic' you are too much focussed on materialistic things. BE HUMBLE. A car isn't worth worrying over about, imagine you have to sell your car. Is that the end of your life? Besides you can just store the car (and don't you dare driving with it while doing that*again don't hit and crash while uninsured costs tooooo much more then you love)) for a while without paying the insurance, and let it stay in the garage. Now when you finally got a job, and get enough money you can pay back for your insurance and ride as much as you want again.

A CHURCH IS ONLY FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS!!!!!

God forbid you take a loan, but if you do need money you'd go to a bank and not to a church. Maby even better just lend some small amounts with your family.

Honestly let's talk about your life and how it is organised. You and your wife are on pills you say, what pills? Depression? Severe ilness? You could get welfare in some situations you know. You seem poorly informed and quite easy to blame your 'local' church for what is happening while in reality it might be YOUR FAULT what is happening in your life in the first place now. Im not saying don't ask for help. But i am saying , check out what realisticly is causing this. I think you may have more cause into this situation then you are willing to admit. Blaming your surch . bah rediculous.
 
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cwdlmdd said:
You know I have sent the pastor a letter and e-mail and even tried to get an appointment to talk to him. To this day I have not heard a word from them. Just a rejection letter.

I can't help but to think that some one is blocking all of my attempts to speak to him.

It is a very large church and at one time they had made the news in my area because of a project that thay were tyring to do call the Steeple of light. They needed a premite from the FCC.

But anyway he really dosn't seem to me that he is that kind of person to egnor sone one.

Forgive the spelling!
Unfortunately, large churches, and many small churches though that is less often, are so scared that someone will take advantage of them that they never ever learn to love much less give according to God's commands and will. God doesn't say, give only when you are sure how they will use it, He says, give and let me do the rest. The church I grew up in is small and focused on trusting God no matter the situation. One day, someone broke into the church and stole a bunch of electronics. It was hard for the church to deal with that kind of lose (finacially) but in an attempt to follow the word of God, they prayed and left the rest up to God. If I remember right, it was a week later, (I could be wrong on the time frame), the equipment was returned and a letter appologizing was attached to the equipment. Point being, we never should be afraid of giving in the name of Christ because, if it is in the name of Christ, then it is His responsibility how it is used not our's, we as the church like to hold all control and never relinquish any of that control over to God. What is the worse that could happen if we give to someone and they misuse it? They learn from where good gifts come? So many times I have heard the "church" refrain from giving because of fear of misuse, or put restrictions on giving, such as "we'll go with you to the store and buy you milk and eggs or bring milk and eggs to you" when what the person needs is bread and butter. Following Christ is a walk in learning to trust God with all our hearts, leaning not on our own understanding, in all our ways acknowledging Him, and allowing Him to direct our paths.

In your situation, it is easy to see where the church lacks that trust, but we must each look into our own lives and see where we fit into that scale of trust. We can always trust more. We were facing a winter without heat, (true story), we were able to trade for a wood burning stove but lacked the resources to have a chimney. We struggled and worried some and tried to find ways to keep ourselves and our children through the long, cold, Ohio winter ahead. I was talking to an old and dear friend, she asked me to promise her that if we got too cold we would come to her house. I looked up at the beautiful clear, warm fall day, and I suddenly understood, I looked at her and said, "today is a beautiful day, we'll worry about tomorrow when it comes". Trust in God is so liberating that words cannot express the joy and peace that it leaves behind. That week, we recieved an anonymous gift for almost the entire amount of a chimney. We have spent the winter burning pallets, gleaning wood, and cutting up fallen limbs from the massive ice storm this year. Isn't God amazing!?! Learn to trust God, not only in the trial of life, but also in the giving of our gifts and sacrifices. God says, "for when you do it unto the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me" Would we ask God, "what are you going to do with the gift?" Would we give Christ milk and eggs when He needed bread and butter? Giving is only half the battle, the other half is learning to trust and one of the best ways to learn this trust, is to have a need and let God meet it according to His will. You are blessed, you have a chance to learn to trust God.

May God grant you grace as you learn to trust Him with today.
 
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In one word 'materialistic' you are too much focussed on materialistic things. BE HUMBLE. A car isn't worth worrying over about, imagine you have to sell your car. Is that the end of your life? Besides you can just store the car (and don't you dare driving with it while doing that*again don't hit and crash while uninsured costs tooooo much more then you love)) for a while without paying the insurance, and let it stay in the garage. Now when you finally got a job, and get enough money you can pay back for your insurance and ride as much as you want again.

A CHURCH IS ONLY FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS!!!!!

God forbid you take a loan, but if you do need money you'd go to a bank and not to a church. Maby even better just lend some small amounts with your family.

Honestly let's talk about your life and how it is organised. You and your wife are on pills you say, what pills? Depression? Severe ilness? You could get welfare in some situations you know. You seem poorly informed and quite easy to blame your 'local' church for what is happening while in reality it might be YOUR FAULT what is happening in your life in the first place now. Im not saying don't ask for help. But i am saying , check out what realisticly is causing this. I think you may have more cause into this situation then you are willing to admit. Blaming your surch . bah rediculous.
What terrible and destructive biblical theology. Give me one example of someone coming to Christ with a need and Christ blaming it on the person and sending him away empty. I can't think of one can you? Christ repremanded the Pharisees for their faulty teachings that left men feeling oppressed and condemed, This teaching, of blaming the person for their poverty and finacial struggles is phariseeical in nature because it does nothing to heal the wounds and leaves the person in need feeling oppressed and condemed when Christ offers freedom and life. It does not matter what the pills are for, and it certainly in many parts of our country is not a luxury to have a vehicle. Though many city dwellers don't understand this concept. Sometimes, a vehicle is required to do a job. My own husband just left a job in which his entire income relied on his vehicle. In our own small city, about one fourth to one third of the jobs in the paper require your "own reliable transportation." And by the way, the bible nor the early church ever saw the church as an emergency situation, the church in the bible and the earlier church leaders saw the church as a body or family of believers, helping one another, sharing in the bounty that God provided. You spoke of borrowing money, the church is suppose to be the family we can count on in our time of need. That would be anything from gift to borrowing and anything in-between. If the church cannot function as one loving unit, there is no body and we all fall. Remember the biblical account in Acts where the church is equated with the body and how every part of the body is not only vital, but is necessary for health. We cannot function properly, thus glorifying God, and worshipping Him through our service if we say to our eye, only come to me if you have an emergency and no one else to help you. Pity to that eye, because, it is likely to go blind before anyone cares enough to see that there is a problem. The church is a body, a family and currently there are way to many ill functioning or non functioning members to that body and the church is dieing but the pharisees continue preaching their message of condemnation and oppression and the hurting walk away without so much as a bandage to put on thier wounds. Christ's message is one of grace and love, freedom and salvation, Christ's message is not one of condemnation and oppression. Where is the church, the body, the family of Christ when the lost and hurting come and are turned away, in blame? Where is the message of Love when we offer a stone instead of a bread to the hungry? What are we saying to Christ when we turn Him away from our doors because He doesn't look like we think He should? "For when you have done it unto the LEAST of these, my brethren, YOU HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME" How many times will the chruch turn Christ away, how many times will they blame Christ, how many times will they crusify Christ before they realize the He Lives, He Lives Indeed!

May God reveal Himself to you in each face and each person you meet, may He give you an understanding of the Love He has for man and the Love He has called you to share with all mankind.
 
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Thank you razzelflabben for your kind word. It is something that I really need right now. Just so everyone knows. We have not stop going to chruch there and with the help of some good people that are in the church I was able to get my car licensed and with the help of my wife's son and the rase that he just got I managed to pay for my insurance. It is really strange the way thing work out.

I don't really blame the people that go to church there. It is more that dispite my many attempts to contact them that they did not responed to may request. If some one would have called or e-mailed me or something and said that they could not help. I would have left it allone. But to leave me hanging for two months with an answer. That is not right.
 
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