Have any creationists...

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 11:38 PM xtiangal said this in Post #19 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=674317#post674317)

First off, since all that is was made by God through and for Jesus "and
without Him was not made anything that was made," nothing can be
used as an argument against god's creation of it, merely that God uses
more options than our finite minds understand.

The issue isn't whether or not God created. The issue is how He did it. Shared endogenous retroviruses between species points to the idea of common descent (and hence, evolution), and points away from independent creation (unless you start appealing to various ad hoc explanations).

And unfortunately for creationists, these various ad hoc explanations are grounded in pure speculation. I'd like to see a creationist actually come up with some supportive evidence for their assertations, but so far that isn't happening.

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 11:58 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #21

The issue isn't whether or not God created. The issue is how He did it. 

Why do we need to know that?

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 12:15 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #22 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=674371#post674371)

Why do we need to know that?

Because human beings have an insatiable curiosity. And who knows, we might learn something useful along the way...

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 11:50 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #20

Really? Well, could you please tell that to AIG, ICR, etc, since they often confuse the two on a regular basis.

Well, ok, they may know a little bit about theology and biology. Maybe they can answer your questions.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 12:16 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #23

Because human beings have an insatiable curiosity. And who knows, we might learn something useful along the way...

Maybe, but the most useful thing we could know is what does it mean to be born again, and how do we become born again.

 

[Cantuar]

Why do we need to know that?

The whole of science is directed to asking "how." For a theist, that amounts to "How did GOd do...?" You might think those questions are irrelevant, but some theists think that finding out how God did things is more respectful to God than ignoring how He did them.

 

[Micaiah]

Today at 02:32 PM Cantuar said this in Post #26 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=674487#post674487)

The whole of science is directed to asking "how." For a theist, that amounts to "How did GOd do...?" You might think those questions are irrelevant, but some theists think that finding out how God did things is more respectful to God than ignoring how He did them.

Those Christians who believe the Scriptural account of Creation think it very important that the true message is not misrepresented. While they accept the details are brief, they believe it is wrong to suggest that we can dispense with those details to accomodate mans latest scientific theory.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 06:11 AM Micaiah said this in Post #27 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=674617#post674617)

Those Christians who believe the Scriptural account of Creation think it very important that the true message is not misrepresented. While they accept the details are brief, they believe it is wrong to suggest that we can dispense with those details to accomodate mans latest scientific theory.

But what do you think is a more accurate representation of His Creation? A few passages in an ancient text or actually studying His Creation?

 

[Smilin]

24th February 2003 at 11:28 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #18 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=674298#post674298)

Theology students do not usually study biology and biology students do not usually study theology.

Again,
Speek for yourself...

I didn't study Biology (until recently)... however I was a Science AND Theology student...

 

[Smilin]

25th February 2003 at 08:53 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #28 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=674731#post674731)

But what do you think is a more accurate representation of His Creation? A few passages in an ancient text or actually studying His Creation?

Good point,,,
Christians should hike, camp, fish, etc more....

 

[lucaspa]

24th February 2003 at 11:28 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #18

Why do you find it "amazing"? Creationism is a theology issue. What your talking about here looks like something to do with Biology. Theology students do not usually study biology and biology students do not usually study theology.

John, you can't have it both ways.  You want creationism to be scientific so you have "proof" that God exists because only God could have created by this particular method.  But when the evidence is refuting/falsifying creationism and creationists aren't making a scientific response, suddenly you want creationism to be theology.

It's that old shell game of moving the pea.

Remember that special creation -- creationism -- was the original theory of biologists. Until they showed it wrong.

 

[lucaspa]

25th February 2003 at 06:11 AM Micaiah said this in Post #27

Those Christians who believe the Scriptural account of Creation think it very important that the true message is not misrepresented. While they accept the details are brief, they believe it is wrong to suggest that we can dispense with those details to accomodate mans latest scientific theory.

Bibliolatry. Worship your interpretation of the Bible and not God.

"To conclude, therefore, let no man out of a weak conceit of sobriety, or an ill-applied moderation, think or maintain, that a man can search too far or be too well studied in the book of God's word, or in the book of God's works; divinity or philosophy [science]; but rather let men endeavour an endless progress or proficience in both."  Bacon: Advancement of Learning