Hatred.....

[JimfromOhio]

Murder at the Holocaust Museum today.

Murder of an abortionist at Church.

Both resulted by "hate".

The flesh tends to destroy our relationships with others. 1 John:20-21 mention "hatred, strife, jealousy, wrath, factions, seditions, heresies, envyings.....murder".

Proverbs 10:12 says, "Hatred stirreth up strifes, but love covereth all sins."

We hate the sin of homosexuality, abortion and others because of their baseness and because of its perverseness, but at the same time we understand that it is a sin like any other sin and we have to call that sinner to repentance and offer that individual sinner the grace and the forgiveness of God. We can't play God. I'm not against those people who hate evil and wickedness. We need to understand that those who are lost with harden of their hearts that caused them to be anti-morality; anti-Christian.

 

[MrJim]

I wonder if this is the beginning of a bloody summer...

 

[heymikey80]

I think what we're seeing is anger at being disenfranchised and impoverished.

 

[Nadiine]

I wonder if this is the beginning of a bloody summer...

according to Glen Beck & a few of his guests, he thinks the climate
in the world today is breeding the violent actions.

He was saying that people are frustrated, angry and in fear of the future,
and that is making already "unstable" people finally go over the
edge.

So he thinks we'll be seeing more hatred and blaming going on
and the "loons" will be erupting into action.

Time will tell, but I sure do see the signs Jesus said would come.

 

[JimfromOhio]

God is opposed to unrighteousness, He loves the world. The Holy Spirit's task is to bring sinners to Jesus Christ by exposing their sin to them through us. True Christians have been delivered not only from error to truth but from sin to righteousness. The world is comparing us to the most moral, self-righteous, clean-living Mormons. Now, I find this dangerous. I don't think I would be rejoicing to live in a Pharisaic-dominated society; dominated by the mandates of self-righteous, cruel, merciless legalists, who laid heavy burdens on people, right, and gave them no help to bear them, Jesus said. Jesus said to them one day as they picked up stones to stone an adulterous woman: Whoever is "without sin... throw the first stone." And stones started dropping. I don't know that I'd want to live in that kind of environment. There is no New Testament model for political action. Jesus didn't try to overthrow slavery; neither did Paul; neither did any of the Old Testament. Both Jesus and Paul, however, did say if you're a slave, be a good one, be a faithful one, be an honest one. Serve your master well; make wise investments; do it under the Lord, and God will reward you. And if you're in a harsh, difficult situation, you'll know His grace.

 

[Nadiine]

There is no New Testament model for political action.

I realize this is a popular tangent lately, but lack of biblical info
on a non essential topic is NOT doctrine.

We don't make doctrine for the church based solely on something
not covered. And I'm about sure if Christians didn't march to
the voting booths and vote against Prop 8 in Calif, gay marriages
would be legalized in Calif. today.

Romans 13 says to obey the civil authorities.
in a democracy, we have LEGAL RIGHTS to speak out, and TO
vote and have a voice.
And we are salt and light in this word; God's hands and feet.

If you don't want to exercise your right and don't mind if you
live in Sodom, then don't, but don't get into legalism to make
demands that we all be silenced due to your personal convictions
on such a liberty.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I realize this is a popular tangent lately, but lack of biblical info
on a non essential topic is NOT doctrine.

We don't make doctrine for the church based solely on something
not covered. And I'm about sure if Christians didn't march to
the voting booths and vote against Prop 8 in Calif, gay marriages
would be legalized in Calif. today.

Romans 13 says to obey the civil authorities.
in a democracy, we have LEGAL RIGHTS to speak out, and TO
vote and have a voice.
And we are salt and light in this word; God's hands and feet.

If you don't want to exercise your right and don't mind if you
live in Sodom, then don't, but don't get into legalism to make
demands that we all be silenced due to your personal convictions
on such a liberty.

Civil government should recognize the sovereignty of other God-ordained institutions (Church, Family) because civil government is necessary and divinely ordained by God (Rom. 13:1–7). We are called to render service and obedience as to submit to civil authority (1 Pet. 2:13–17 ; Matt. 22:21). Even though the Government is God-ordained but human (sinners). Government is not the problem. Its PEOPLE who are running the government. I do believe very much in being a responsible Christian citizen. As good testimony to outsiders, Christians can work with non-Christians (& government) in attempting to promote justice and civic peace because it is good for all people, not just Christians (Galatians 6:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:15).

Its just that we need to understand what are roles really are and how we behave. Faith and Grace are at the foundations of all Christian living, and because faith has to do with the character of God, not on Christian's faith. The paradoxical character of the Christian is revealed through life and seen by many. Every Christian is a citizen of heaven and to that sacred citizenship even though each Christian lives in a sinful world. Christians have a duel citizenship however earth is a sinful place while Heaven is beautiful and sinless that we are to remember that we are citizens of heaven even though we live in a foreign world. We CAN'T live here on earth as we will in Heaven. we are in Christ His position is our position, His privilege is our privilege, His possessions are our possessions, and His practice our practice. We are significant not because of who we are, but because of who we are in Christ.

The First Amendment was designed to prohibit the federal establishment of a national Church or the official preference of a particular Christian sect over all others. Our founders understood that separation of church and state would be good for all faiths including Christianity. President George Washington, in a famous 1790 letter to a Jewish congregation in Newport, R.I., celebrated the fact that Jews had full freedom of worship in America. Noted Washington, "All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship." Personal religious views are just that: personal. Our government has no right to promulgate religion or to interfere with private beliefs.

Paul told the Philippians that our citizenship is not here but in heaven (Phil. 3:20). And, we are sojourners in the world (1 Pet. 1:17). So, there is a purpose for our individual existence as believers in the society in which we live, to turn depraved sinners to God through Christ. We are a witnessing community a group of people placed in the world to draw the attention of the world to God.

 

[MrJim]

Civil government should recognize the sovereignty of other God-ordained institutions (Church, Family) because civil government is necessary and divinely ordained by God (Rom. 13:1–7). We are called to render service and obedience as to submit to civil authority (1 Pet. 2:13–17 ; Matt. 22:21). Even though the Government is God-ordained but human (sinners). Government is not the problem. Its PEOPLE who are running the government. I do believe very much in being a responsible Christian citizen. As good testimony to outsiders, Christians can work with non-Christians (& government) in attempting to promote justice and civic peace because it is good for all people, not just Christians (Galatians 6:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:15).

Its just that we need to understand what are roles really are and how we behave. Faith and Grace are at the foundations of all Christian living, and because faith has to do with the character of God, not on Christian's faith. The paradoxical character of the Christian is revealed through life and seen by many. Every Christian is a citizen of heaven and to that sacred citizenship even though each Christian lives in a sinful world. Christians have a duel citizenship however earth is a sinful place while Heaven is beautiful and sinless that we are to remember that we are citizens of heaven even though we live in a foreign world. We CAN'T live here on earth as we will in Heaven. we are in Christ His position is our position, His privilege is our privilege, His possessions are our possessions, and His practice our practice. We are significant not because of who we are, but because of who we are in Christ.

The First Amendment was designed to prohibit the federal establishment of a national Church or the official preference of a particular Christian sect over all others. Our founders understood that separation of church and state would be good for all faiths including Christianity. President George Washington, in a famous 1790 letter to a Jewish congregation in Newport, R.I., celebrated the fact that Jews had full freedom of worship in America. Noted Washington, "All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship." Personal religious views are just that: personal. Our government has no right to promulgate religion or to interfere with private beliefs.

Paul told the Philippians that our citizenship is not here but in heaven (Phil. 3:20). And, we are sojourners in the world (1 Pet. 1:17). So, there is a purpose for our individual existence as believers in the society in which we live, to turn depraved sinners to God through Christ. We are a witnessing community a group of people placed in the world to draw the attention of the world to God.

Are you learnin' this stuff from the Lutherans? Sure sounds like my old mennonite buddies to me

 

[heymikey80]

There is no New Testament model for political action. Jesus didn't try to overthrow slavery; neither did Paul; neither did any of the Old Testament. Both Jesus and Paul, however, did say if you're a slave, be a good one, be a faithful one, be an honest one. Serve your master well; make wise investments; do it under the Lord, and God will reward you. And if you're in a harsh, difficult situation, you'll know His grace.

... and if you can legitimately gain freedom, gain it.

There are models. They're just not democratic models. They are indeed extant in Scripture, but it's not the norm before, where the subjects are participants in rulership.

What Jesus didn't do in the face of clear awareness of the injustice, is as much a model of what He did do. How Jesus and Paul instructed masters and rulers is just as much a model for how we should exercise our own mastry and rule over the government. How Jesus responded peacefully to unjust government is just as much a model for how we should respond.