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when you love heroine addict, you do not want them to just do whatever they want
you want them to get better, to live a fuller life of dignity and virtue, for them to be the best person they can be
Here's the issue for me. Heroin is destructive in a earthly sense, it affects you in this world. Homosexual is a sinful life that can offer stability, romantic love, monogamy and a home for a child to be raised.
So are you saying those three things are equivalent to a crack addict because it's same sex?
why should I only look at the "earthly sense"?
I believe in the immortal soul, heaven, and hell
so my concerns are for more then just the earthly
if you do not believe in the soul, I understand why this would seem like less of an issue (or no issue at all)
like we can go back and forth about issues of culture and family structure, we can make arguments on both sides of this if it is harmful in an "earthly sense"
but my main point is, if a person thinks that the soul, heaven, and hell are all real, then it makes sense for them to proceed accordingly
Because you alienate your faith when you tell non Christians that gays are equal to crack addicts in your and God's eyes.
Can you see why secularists don't tolerate Christian thoughts when they see crack addicts and a gay couple raising a kid as the same thing?
Our fight has mostly been defensive. See the following:
Basic Biology
sperm (♂) + egg (♀) = baby
sperm (♂) + sperm (♂) = nothing
egg (♀) + egg (♀) = nothing
Full USA Today article
I said enough.You forgot about the magnets.
when you love heroine addict, you do not want them to just do whatever they want
you want them to get better, to live a fuller life of dignity and virtue, for them to be the best person they can be
I said enough.
did I say "these two things are exactly the same in every way"
I made an analogy to show thoughts about love and people who are engaging in destructive behavior
since you do not believe in the immortal soul, I used had to use something that was physically destructive for the analogy
also, for it to be a clear analogy, I had to use something that everyone could agree would be destructive
so no, I never said that these things were equal in my eyes or in the eyes of the Lord
who ever said they are the same thing? clearly they are different things, one is a person smoking a drug, the other is a couple raising a child
two very different things
ok, I am horrible with analogies, this is a question for you, forget all that other stuff I said
"how do you show love for people who are doing something that is harmful to themselves or others around them?"
On The O'Reilly Factor last night, it was about the Milwaukee riots, and Charles Krauthammer, making a similar point that you are making about the breakdown of the traditional family with most blacks, made the point that the function of the traditional family is to civilize boys so that they can be civilized men when they grow up. Here's the show episode:The problem is that we see the positive results, but the negative are swept out of sight, and because it's a new idea, we won't see the results for another 20 years or more.
So, what happens after 20 years and we see that kids raised by same-sex couple's are dysfunctional emotionally and can't tell right from wrong and we have a new subculture of adults living on the fringe of sanity ? It will be impossible to reverse the negative on such people and we'll have to live with the consequences.
Heck, I was watching the news about the riots in Milwaukee the other day, and they were interviewing some of the rioters, including the brother of the suspect that was shot by the cops. The level of ignorance and incoherent vocabulary was shocking. However, thinking about it, they are the result of social engineering 15-25 years ago, where being a single mother was not a problem and even celebrated in their social environment. The kids had no father and an incompetent mother who essentially abandoned them to the streets. We mow have a subculture of barbarians in the inner cities of America.
I'm not saying this will be the same result of kids raised by same-sex couples, but I have seen the negatives from such kids who are now coming into adulthood. Its only a matter of time before we'll know whether or not, gay parenting is as good as traditional parenting with a child having a mother and a father.
Jim
On The O'Reilly Factor last night, it was about the Milwaukee riots, and Charles Krauthammer, making a similar point that you are making about the breakdown of the traditional family with most blacks, made the point that the function of the traditional family is to civilize boys so that they can be civilized men when they grow up.
Obviously convince them to quit the destructive behavior.
However the behavior of a gay monogamous family isn't destructive to themselves nor to others. It's only hated by God and it's God who ends up sending them to Hell over it, even if they're faithful to one another and raise a child together.
It seems like the equivalent of being a Christian in ISIS lands. There is nothing objectively destructive about being Christian, but doing so will get you killed because ISIS hates Christians.
well saying "it is only hated by God" makes it seem like you have a total and complete understanding of homosexuality on cultural issues
what about this scenario, someone is in a low income neighborhood, and they cheat on the SAT and several other tests to be able to go to a quality university
is it "hateful" to kick that person out? they are only trying to improve their life by going to a good school, is it worth it to ruin someone's life in the name of "fairness" because them cheating offends some ephemeral idea nebulous idea of "fairness"?
God made these rules for us, we can either choose to be his friend, or we can choose not to be his friend
if you had a friend who cussed you out every time you saw him, maybe you would choose not to stay his friend anymore
God says you can not do gay stuff if you want to be His friend, no one is MAKING them be friends with God, they can choose to go to Hell, a lot of folk choose that because they do not really like God all that much, that is their choice
and you got on my case for comparing active homosexuality and using heroine
now you compare God to ISIS
come on man, you can not act all offended when I use an analogy, and then go out and say something like this.
You agreed that gays and crack addicts were apples and oranges. However ISIS and God both torture people based solely on certain actions they find repulsive.
However at least ISIS can only torture us in this life for a limited time. God intends to punish those he hates for eternity.
and putting pedophiles in prison is "torture" for them
are you against prisons too?
and we put them in prison based solely on certain actions we find repulsive
it is called justice
if you can not do the time, do not do the crime
and I did not agree that it was apples and oranges, both are actions that are harmful
that does not mean they are bad to an equal degree or harmful in the same way
but it is not "apples and oranges"
who said the punishment is the same?And yet you worship a God who punishes child molesters with the same punishment as someone who doesn't go to Sunday Mass.
who are you to say what is and is not just?There is no justice in that.
this assumes that those who harm others deserve to be punishedAlso a pedophile does notable harm to children,
prove thismeanwhile a ideal gay family does no more harm than a ideal heterosexual family would do.
It contradicts every notion of Christians as loving
Never seen this at all, though I do think that there are downsides to raising a child in a homosexual home but do not think that they should be banned from being able to raise children... I have especially never heard any Catholic I have met speak in this sentiment... Maybe Baptists...!
Scenario: monogamous gay couple who adopt a child to raise to adulthood
Secularists: Good and civic people who save a child from our sub par foster care system. A clear example of the benefits of increasing the rights given to US citizens.
Catholics: damned degenerate sinners who are damning a child by raising it. It is a mistake of our government to officially accept this kind of family.
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