"HATE CRIMES" bill

[honorthesabbath]

Hi Fellow Christians,

Satan once again is at it in our nations capitol trying to shut the mouths of Christ's brethren.

He wants those who practice a 'lifestyle' contrary to scripture to be an especially protected class. Read the alert below and then act by calling your state Senatore TODAY and demand this bill be stopped.

Thank you

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]The Senate will be voting, as early as today, on S.1105, the so-called "hate crimes" bill. Under S.1105, acts of crime committed against members of certain protected classes - including those who identify themselves by their "actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity" - would warrant more intense prosecution and greater penalties than the very same acts committed against heterosexuals.

It would establish homosexuals as a special class of people and give them special rights.

It is no stretch to argue that S. 1105, if enacted, will embody a national policy that will likely lead to the criminalization and civil sanction of the biblical view of homosexuality. (This is ALREADY happening in Canada)

Read these two stories - The tragic story of Jesse Dirkhising and Woman's death at hands of 'gay' her fault, says lawyer - to see how homosexuals murdered heterosexuals but were not charged with a hate crime. Had the roles been reversed - the victims homosexual and the perpetrators heterosexual - they could have been charged. Under S.1105, homosexuals are a "protected class" while heterosexuals are not.
It is vitally important for you to call your two senators today and tell them to vote against S.1105, the "hate crimes" bill.

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[sentipente]

Heterosexuals are the majority and dominant class in America. There is no need to make them a protected class. It would be an illogical move. I don't understand how those who follow the man who cared for the downtrodden would deny equal treatment for all citizens.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

The whole concept of "hate crimes" should be fought against. It does not matter at all whether someone beats me up to take my wallet or beats me up for the fun of it or he hates the way I look. The assault is the same for the victim and the wrong is the same for the offender, except if he steals after the assault there would be that as an additional crime.

Hate crime legislation tends to lead to greater inequity in criminal prosecution and that is not what we want.

 

[sentipente]

The whole concept of "hate crimes" should be fought against. It does not matter at all whether someone beats me up to take my wallet or beats me up for the fun of it or he hates the way I look.

That's not what makes something a hate crime in the law.

 

[JonMiller]

Hate crimes are developed because of an imballance.

I am not a big fan of affirmative action, and I beleive it can begin to be phased it, but it definitely did good in the past, and is still doing some good now.

Hate crimes are bad the same way as affirmative action is bad. Because of issues (which are quickly going away in our society, I know very few of my peers who are homophobic) it might be needed now though.

JM

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

That's not what makes something a hate crime in the law.

No because the law has taken upon itself the idea that they can read the mind of the criminal and determine the underlying cause of the crime. Yet in actuality the crime is the same no matter what the underlying mental processes were. And it is the action that is being punished, or should be punished.

A good article is found here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff95.html

 

[DrStupid_Ben]

Here is the bill:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-1105

"HATE CRIMES" bill

Hi Fellow Christians,

Satan once again is at it in our nations capitol trying to shut the mouths of Christ's brethren.

He wants those who practice a 'lifestyle' contrary to scripture to be an especially protected class. Read the alert below and then act by calling your state Senatore TODAY and demand this bill be stopped.

Thank you

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=+1]Senate could vote on the "hate crimes" bill as early as today
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Urgent: Your phone call to your senators needed today! [/SIZE][/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]The Senate will be voting, as early as today, on S.1105, the so-called "hate crimes" bill. Under S.1105, acts of crime committed against members of certain protected classes - including those who identify themselves by their "actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity" - would warrant more intense prosecution and greater penalties than the very same acts committed against heterosexuals.

It would establish homosexuals as a special class of people and give them special rights.

It is no stretch to argue that S. 1105, if enacted, will embody a national policy that will likely lead to the criminalization and civil sanction of the biblical view of homosexuality. (This is ALREADY happening in Canada)

Read these two stories - The tragic story of Jesse Dirkhising and Woman's death at hands of 'gay' her fault, says lawyer - to see how homosexuals murdered heterosexuals but were not charged with a hate crime. Had the roles been reversed - the victims homosexual and the perpetrators heterosexual - they could have been charged. Under S.1105, homosexuals are a "protected class" while heterosexuals are not.
It is vitally important for you to call your two senators today and tell them to vote against S.1105, the "hate crimes" bill.[/SIZE][/FONT]

I don't see where homosexuals would be protected greater than heterosexuals. To me, the actual bill is just about sexual orientation and gender identity in general. It seems that a hate crime could be commited against a heterosexual person as well.

From the statistics going around, the majority of crimes of violence, where sexual identity is a motivation, are against homosexual people. This would of course manifest itself in the motivation of the bill.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Hi Fellow Christians,

Satan once again is at it in our nations capitol trying to shut the mouths of Christ's brethren.

He wants those who practice a 'lifestyle' contrary to scripture to be an especially protected class. Read the alert below and then act by calling your state Senatore TODAY and demand this bill be stopped.

Thank you

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, 
 
 
 
 
 
 Helvetica][SIZE=+1]Senate could vote on the "hate crimes" bill as early as today[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Urgent: Your phone call to your senators needed today! [/SIZE][/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]The Senate will be voting, as early as today, on S.1105, the so-called "hate crimes" bill. Under S.1105, acts of crime committed against members of certain protected classes - including those who identify themselves by their "actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity" - would warrant more intense prosecution and greater penalties than the very same acts committed against heterosexuals. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]It would establish homosexuals as a special class of people and give them special rights. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]It is no stretch to argue that S. 1105, if enacted, will embody a national policy that will likely lead to the criminalization and civil sanction of the biblical view of homosexuality. (This is ALREADY happening in Canada)[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Read these two stories - The tragic story of Jesse Dirkhising and Woman's death at hands of 'gay' her fault, says lawyer - to see how homosexuals murdered heterosexuals but were not charged with a hate crime. Had the roles been reversed - the victims homosexual and the perpetrators heterosexual - they could have been charged. Under S.1105, homosexuals are a "protected class" while heterosexuals are not. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]It is vitally important for you to call your two senators today and tell them to vote against S.1105, the "hate crimes" bill.[/FONT][/SIZE]

Wow. I can't really act on this in any way, being a Canadian..but you know what I find is sad? That we, as a society, have gotten to the point we even need laws against hate crimes. Aren't we supposed to be more civilized? *sigh*

Just curious, but how has it already almost happened in Canada, though? Not meaning to question you, I just haven't heard of this. I try to avoid as much media as possible these days. Last thing I remember was about gay marriage being allowed...

Also, does it actually say that it's meant for 'homosexuals'..or sexual orientation? If it's just sexual orientation..yes, that will be aimed mostly at gays because that's the common problem we have nowadays..But I don't see how it would be putting them above us.

Again, I'm not questioning you as much as I'm just not quite clear on it all. I looked over the bill someone posted the link to and it just confused me. *lol* Could you paste the part that you're refering to exactly?

I honestly hope we don't become too scared of offending anyone different than us to the point we compromise ourselves, though. I've seen this with different holidays. Like Christmas. It's not 'wrong' to say Merry Christmas to someone up here and has been banned from some stores when speaking to customers..not to mention Christmas trees have been removed from public buildings.

To me, this is insane. In most cases it's not because someone actually complains of being offended, it's because we're too scared it might be taken wrong. *rolls her eyes* I don't know a non-Christian who would take offence to being wished a Merry Christmas..just as I wouldn't if they wished me a happy (insert other holiday here).

But that's a bit off topic, I think. *lol*

Blessings and Love,
Sarah

 

[honorthesabbath]

Heterosexuals are the majority and dominant class in America. There is no need to make them a protected class. It would be an illogical move. I don't understand how those who follow the man who cared for the downtrodden would deny equal treatment for all citizens.

Sent--Homosexual's in this country DO has equal rights under the law. But this insane bill will give them an ADVANTAGE over the rest of us--thus causing us denial of our EQUAL rights of free speech.

Have you noticed that now if anyone makes a negative remark about gays--that they are BASHED by the media?

But let gays criticise hetero's and oh my--they are 'praised' for their remarks. So already they are getting an 'unequal' bias.

And make no mistake sentipenta--if this bill turns to law-the gays will have every pastor in this country up on 'hate' charges if they dare read from the bible that gayness is an 'abomination' in the sight of God!

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I hate to tell you this Sarah but the US is still behind Canada in this realm. Here is an article I wrote several years ago on the subject. Interestingly I submitted it to Liberty Magazine and they were interested, told me what they paid and asked for a brief bio to publish with the article and then never ran it. In fact to my knowledge they have never really dealt with the subject. But then I have not read the mag for a couple years now either as I don't respect them for a number of reasons.

Free Speech Canada, Intolerant for the sake of Tolerance

 

[honorthesabbath]

Sarah--please read this article as well--this legislation is very dangerous.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54260

 

[honorthesabbath]

To those who think we are being overly alarmed about this ‘hate’ legislation, let’s take a closer look at the bill. I would recommend that you read it through carefully for yourselves, but for investigation sake, I have excerpted parts for discussion.

Look carefully now at this portion of the bill…

SEC. 3. DEFINITION OF HATE CRIME.

In this Act--
(1) the term `crime of violence' has the meaning given that term in section 16, title 18, United States Code;
(2) the term `hate crime' has the meaning given such term in section 280003(a) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (28 U.S.C. 994 note); and
(3) the term `local' means a county, city, town, township, parish, village, or other general purpose political subdivision of a State.

Let’s investigate what this means…(1) the term `crime of violence' has the meaning given that term in section 16, title 18, United States Code;

The term “crime of violence” means—
(a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or prop­erty of another, or
(b) any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense.

Do you see the ambiguous language used here? Any half baked prosecutor (most are anyway) can and will say that a preacher or even a lay person who calls homosexuality a SIN—is promoting ‘violence’ against that group.

Here’s the one that REALLY scares me—listen to the language..

SEC. 4. SUPPORT FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS BY STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.
(a) Assistance Other Than Financial Assistance-
(1) IN GENERAL- At the request of State, local, or Tribal law enforcement agency, the Attorney General may provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or any other form of assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that--
(A) constitutes a crime of violence;
(B) constitutes a felony under the State, local, or Tribal laws; and
(C) is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the State, local, or Tribal hate crime laws.

Look at section ©. See that word ‘perceived’? According to the dictionary—one of the definitions is sensing things thru your 5 senses. Now we all know that we cannot trust our senses 100% of the time. This means that if someone ‘thinks’ that you are going to harm them thru your WORDS, then they can bring suit against you. Forget any true hard evidence, with this bill—your THOUGHTS can and will be prosecuted. Think about it—going to prison or being fined for nothing more than ‘hurting someone’s feelings’!!

EGW once wrote that things were going on in the legislature that when the time comes, the people of God would receive neither justice nor mercy!!! This bill will achieve this.

Ok—I gotta run—leaving now and will be out of town this weekend. See you all Monday—God willing!

Blessings, Linda